Here’s an example. The meme hunter spec tells me to put 3 points in Improved Stings. If you’re raiding you have to take it and keep serpent sting up the whole fight. But I discovered that when I farmed using serpent sting doesn’t noticeably change how quickly a mob dies because they die so fast it barely gets a couple ticks off. But using it does affect how often I have to stop to drink. It’s more efficient farming to not use serpent sting. My hunter is just a farming alt for my holy priest. He doesn’t raid, so why does this farming alt need improved stings?
That’s likely because in this whole conversation you haven’t once came up with a good counter argument. And since you like to pretend you’re so smart you’re crying because you look foolish.
Because I don’t think you understand the argument that is being presented.
No one cares if you raid as a meme spec like frost mage, the discussion is about you going frost and then using a guide to put in your talent points for the most optimal performance.
The meme hunter raid spec would be BM.
It also doesn’t tell you to take imp stings.
So idk if you’re just lost but it seems like you have 0 idea what the discussion has been about.
That’s why I’m crying, because you’re embarrassing yourself.
Beast Mastery Hunter was the strongest Hunter spec in TBC, it is by far the weakest Hunter spec in Wrath. Marksmanship and Survival simply have better damage talents and abilities to build around. Beast Mastery is a bit better in PvP and still brings nice burst due to Bestial Wrath, but the overall damage is not as good as for the other two specializations.
I don’t know because I don’t raid on my hunter. But I did read both icy-veins and wowhead and both recommend markmanship as the best dps hunter spec. You told me that everyone gets their spec off those sites and those sites say go markmanship. Apparently you’re now telling me most people are ignoring what those sites are telling them to do.
I will rewrite my entire point on talent trees for you to try and understand them.
Idc what spec you play, you could play frost mage or sub rogue or bm hunter, the fact is talent trees are a meme because no matter what you do you will go to a guide that already has the most optimized talents for that spec.
This is what the discussion has been about the whole time.
You’re confusing meme specs with the discussion of how talent tree revamp means nothing because it wouldn’t matter what version of the games talent system we have because the vast majority of players will follow a guide for that specs talents anyway.
Also that’s a MM hunter guide, survival is the top performer for hunters ATM.
No, what this discussion has been about the whole time is whether a raiding spec is always the best spec for non raiding alts. And you have not once addressed that question. Most likely because you don’t know enough about the class to address it or you raid on all your alts and that’s all you know.
To add to your list of Wrath-unique “perks”, the XP tuning, and removal of the “Elite” status from mobs increases the capability and pacing of playing solo of co-op quite a bit to remove the lulls and quest drought in the 40s and 50s.
The fragmentation argument is SOOOOOOO stupid, in light of how they handled Wrath’s launch.
“Hey guys, we realize we FOMO’d you all onto a handful of servers by deleting TBC, and now you’re having trouble logging in. Please transfer off onto other servers that’ll die in a week because we refuse to implement RDF, or even just the group finder tool that was invented and beloved by players that we stole in WoD.”
They do everything they can to fragment the players with their dumb “server identity” nonsense throughout the great server migration they caused.
Why would they release fresh wrath servers when wrath is active? Obvs you’ll get it when sub numbers drop, bliz has to be somewhat strategic in keeping the playerbase engaged.
If they were to release it now would you start fresh? Demand split transfers between cata and new wrath? wouldn’t be a lot of fanfare or time to build anticipation, wait till things calm down and you’ll definitely get it.
It was the whole point of my post that began this discussion. If you didn’t want to discuss it you should have ignored it and every post that followed. The reality is you didn’t understand my points because you don’t know enough about the class and you just tried to brazen your way through with BS. You do that a lot and I guess you think people don’t notice and are fooled into thinking you’re brilliant. No one is fooled, most of us see right through you.
Your point was stupid and your whole question makes no sense.
No one said the best raid spec is the best spec for everything, you came to that conclusion yourself.
If I wanna go farm gold by selling boosts on a pally do you think I lookup the raiding ret or prot or holy spec??
No I go find a guide that covers exactly what I’m trying to accomplish and use that guides talent trees.
This is common sense which I guess you seemed to lack when you asked this stupid question.
No one has ever said for you to go farm boars as raid spec, even tho you can but you’re gripe seems to be with serpent sting lmfao. Like I don’t know where you even came up with such a ridiculous notion to begin with, then don’t serpent sting them 5head. They die in a few shots like you just clearly said.
I’m not hiding. I’m one of the players those against rdf said doesn’t exist. I quit classic when they announced rdf wasn’t coming and came back when they added it.
My point was a good one. Cata forcing everyone to complete one tree may have been fine for raiders but not every alt is a raiding alt. Some hybrid specs are better for non raiding alts, and lots of people have lots of alts they level to cap but don’t raid with. You just lack the intellect and knowledge to address it. The best thing for you to have done was to just ignore my post rather than expose your ignorance to everyone here.
If you wanna do something specific there’s always a guide for it, and that guide will tell you what the best talent tree is.
By your own admission you said the raid spec told you to go into 3/3 imp stings but you said it’s a waste of time to sting the mob because it wastes mana and doesn’t give you a faster kill time.
Then don’t sting them lmfao.
My mage guide tells me if I’m the only crit debuff I should apply imp scorch first, why would I do that if I was out killing mobs I 2 shot anyway??