Simple question. Who is better at playing their characters? People who PVP or people who PVE
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They’re entirely different skillsets that look for entirely different things. They’re also group content: There’s no 1v1 dungeons, raids or arenas, you always go in as a team and you win or lose as a team.
Delves, it’s entirely on you, if you eat dirt you have yourself to blame. You can clear T11s on a regular basis but struggle in PvP, or have issues with M+ progression.
My answer is, “The ones who work as a team the best”.
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I think that is the best answer there is to that question.
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This.
They’re both team-oriented activities.
It’s less about you, more about “what can I do to help us succeed.”
In PvP, I will happily sacrifice myself to help flags not be capped (spinning flags), buy more time for my teammates to be rezzed and return to the fight, and secure the base for victory, stuff like that.
The people who don’t think that way, are the ones that lose.
It’s not purely about KDA ratio/damage and stuff like that.
Crowd control + interrupts are important, as is positioning.
I assume M+ is the same.
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There’s more individual responsibility as a generic DPS in PvP than there is in PvE.
There’s more individual responsibility in tanking a high-tier key than there is at any point in PvP, for any class.
But ultimately you’re comparing two completely different things that can’t really be compared.
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pvp has become horrible in this game and ppl who really cared of it left to other pvp games, so its a very unfair argument from the start.
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the player that plays both is better
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The two things are not mutually exclusive.
I remember reading that one blog, Seven Years in Azeroth, and around the Wrath era, the author and his guild started doing PvP. They struggle at first, but eventually got the hang of it, and as they got better at PvP, so too did they improve in raids.
PvP is really good for making snap decisions about what needs to happen NOW, as opposed to a burst window in 45 seconds.
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Who is better at math? Engineers or data scientists?
Who is better st language? Polyglots or linguists?
Who is better at business? The COO or a major corporation? Or someone who grew a hotdog stand into a regional chain restaurant?
A ranking of things is perspective based. Its n9t about who is better, its about what youre trying to do.
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my point is I have been raiding for the past 17 years and started pvping just last year. World pvp, arena, bgs. and I’ve noticed a very stark difference in how the two sides approach a situation in fights.
In PVE everyone for some reason has to have the optimal spec for everything. I’ve seen people change specs before each boss or before packs of mobs. All cooldowns have to be ready at pull or pvers have trouble. Also everyone has to be ready.
In PVP I notice that PVPers are way more tapped into their characters because team work is great but in pvp (especially world pvp and yes world pvp matters in this game this happens in bgs and arenas too) you are not guaranteed to have someone with you in a fight because you never know what’s going to happen. You are not guaranteed to have your cooldowns and you have to adapt to the sitation and be ready to change gears at anytime in or out of a fight. PVPers definitely seem to be way more capable of handling themselves when the odds are against them. Every PVPer I see also seems to be way more intune with their classes entire arsenal of abilities and defensives.
That’s what I’m getting at. there is a start difference between the way pve players and pvp players approach situations in this game.
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People absolutely tweak their specs in the waiting time before arenas start depending on the matchup they think they’re getting or the teammates they spawn in with.
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That happens in PvE too. Not so much in raids but M+ moves at a rapid fire pace. You’re often going into pulls without your whole kit and making the best with what you got to clear some trash, some of which can be more dangerous than bosses. Even the best laid plans go awry as deaths occur and the clock waits for no one, especially not you and your group.
Raids you aren’t exactly pressured for time, save for real life obligations and the schedules of people at large. Even then, raid leads like to clear in a timely manner, if possible but the same thing still applies. Sometimes someone missteps in the big ballroom dance and you need to either make up for their misstep or risk getting multiple people killed.
PvP, sure, one player can hold their own against a number of players who are mashing buttons but even an individually skilled player will still lose to five Mages spamming Greater Pyroblast. If you’re going into that situation without your team, then I’d say that player isn’t very good because they’re diving head first into a situation that they will, eventually, lose instead of being somewhere that benefits the team and the overall win.
Good players are in sync with their BG/Arena team and as such do well because they have that teamwork. They have allies that make up for their class’ shortcomings. They have a healer having their back allowing them to make a grand stand at a point where multiple enemies are wailing on them. There’s a lot more teamwork needed in PvP than people realize.
I know people like to glamorize the 1v1 mindset of duels and such, but in reality that doesn’t define good players. You won’t get Gladiator by yourself, even in RSS.
Like I said, entirely different skillsets but one thing is constant: You go in as a team, and the best teams rise to the top.
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Simple answer: WoW has never really been a PvP game, so PvE wins out by default.
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Doesn’t matter, I play WoW for fun, I prefer PVE.
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Different skill sets.
Generally these threads are posted for PVP players to stroke themselves, but a #1 PVPer who has never raided or M+ would have to grind it out to get good at it.
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Pet battlers.
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Have to know how every class / spec in the game works to get really good at PvP.
Only have to know how your own class / spec works to get really good at PvE.
I’d say a good PvPer has greater potential than a good PvEer therefore.
In a more concrete sense than that, though, it just depends.
It depends on what is meant by “really good” at PvP or PvE.
A raid lead and officer core absolutely have to know how every class and spec works to clear raids or M+ at a high level.
One who is adept at both.
Different skill set, both valuable.
That’s why I clarified that in a more concrete sense it depends, because I’m comparing them generally and generally not every player who is good at PvE is leading a raid.