I got my 2 set today, I only picked up the two set because I got set in vault, and had a free token. Played 6 or so Qs 30 rounds. Grabbed the chest and gloves because the chest has mastery/verse, the gloves have haste/mastery. Trying to mitigate the loss of vers mastery for a fair as test as possible.

The most Wrathful Sanction has added in a match is 3% so far, I’ve seen less than 2% many times. I’ll call it 3% just for the sake of argument. Without a bunch of pets around I’m not sure how it would be much higher. Saw Vangaurds was going as high as 4 but against demo ect.

Expurgation buff is nothing 15% on about 3.5% damage, adding about .5-.6%.

So the two set is adding 3.6% damage or so, in a good match. Keep in mind the sims put it at 4% but it’s nurfed 50% in PvP. Sim factoring in PvP nurf would be 2%. 3.6% is generous if you ask me.

I lost 2% Mastery. This is replacing two honor gear items with 489 items. The most we are talking about here is 1.6% if the sims are correct it’s nothing. 4% PvE being half effective in PvP would put it at nothing factoring in mastery.

Had I traded out conquest instead probably would have traded closer to 3% mastery. I lost a bit of verse but gained a bit of haste it’s a wash basically in terms of damage, but I do take smidge more damage about .77%.

**2 set… It’s essentially nothing.**

I’d like to point out that it’s also cleaving. I saw 1.1% for wrathful over 6 games where it wasn’t cleaving because enemy players were not bunched up. So far my results are showing on your primary target you will do less damage running the two piece. My hunch is it’s 70/30 loss/gain, and only a gain if it cleaves a lot and that would give you .6% damage increase and take .77% more damage. It’s nothing if not a loss.

**4 SET**

I looked at the 4 set items, yes I factored in scaling to 489. Numbers are not dead on but it will be within single digits. If I say 1000 verse it might be 1009 for example.

On my damage breakdown I generally show TV doing about 20-25% of my damage. With the 4 set not scaling properly and only amping 8% instead of 12.5% when you use CDs I’ll call it 10% to make it simple.

4 set will add 2-2.5% overall damage. (10% of TV doing 20-25%)

If I convert my conquest chest and helm I will lose about 370 Mastery and 1000 Verse.

I’m over 30% on both so I will have a penalty. It’s about 2% mastery and 3.7% verse. These are multiplicative. So this is about 5.8% damage.

**The 4 set adds about -3.8% to -3.3% damage**. My abilities will do less damage if I convert and take the 4 set. TV will hit a smidge harder but everything else does less, not to mention when you really want to hit hard (CDs up) it only amps TV ~2.2% above just stacking mastery verse at most, Lvladen found it to be less, almost nothing.

Wait a minute you say… If we lost verse/mastery we gained somewhere right? Yes, we do gain haste about 7% and about 2% crit. This does us little good. Why do I say that? They are not priority stats and If we want haste and a bit of crit we can build that set through conquest and not **lose 1000 verse**.

If you just do a rough estimate, those stats of haste and crit add 6-7% damage (simmed it’s 7%). Remember the set reduces overall damage by at least -3.3%. Now we factor in the additional 7% damage from the added haste/crit. Ultimately we are talking about a **buff of as little as 3.2% to 3.7%, while adding 1.85% more damage taken.**

Remember you could build haste items and not take the extra damage.

The two set is .77% more damage taken plus 4 set 1.85% = 2.62% more damage taken.

Total damage added for both is 3.2-3.7%

An immobile class like Ret tends to take a lot of damage.

If you subtract the extra damage you take from the damage added it’s a **.58% to .1.08% PvP damage advantage**. Maybe I did something wrong. Ok double that, triple that and it’s still sub par. A 3.7% damage increase without added damage taken is sub par.

Our set bonus would have been just as good if it was…

2 set =170 mastery bonus

4 set = 340 mastery bonus

Our 2 set and 4 set bonus are worth less… **less than an honor rings mastery not factoring in the extra damage you take.** You get 3.2-3.7% and you take 2.6% more damage. It’s such a wash it isn’t really worth. The two set and 4 set need to be stronger you could take the 4 set back to 50% (25% PvP) and it would be 6.4-7.4%. Is this out of line? Maybe to bursty? Then take it to 35%/17.5% at least. Have the two set increase expurg by 150% (75% in PvP). That would be around 2.6% on 2 set and about 5% on the 4 set. Not like Ret is crushing PvE anyway.

I feel confident in saying the following because it’s essentially true.

**RET PALDIN HAS NO SET BONUSES THIS SEASON**