Not everyone wants to throw their characters away for every fad that comes out.
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time is a flat circle
Except that is a fundamentally flawed conclusion and even more glaring flaw in the underlying game design.
It simply just boils down to the fact that they no longer can arbitrarily define hard weekly caps on Era. If previously the upper bound of honor achievable per week investing 50-70 hours a week was say 600k and now it is only 30k then the caps need to be scaled accordingly.
Or as many of us are advocating there needs to be some sort of scale and/or some sort of definitive progress attainable per week based on what little participation remains.
The reality is that the state now is that people are being forced to resort to a non PVP method to reach ranks so it is still possible it is just that must of us true PVPers want to actually attain the rank via whatever remaining PVP exists.
On the topic of fresh, till they announce 100% definitively that Fresh servers will have Era clones I will never touch it cause I am not gambling having my characters forced into TBC and beyond. Also just to make it clear in case it wasnât saying go play fresh is an extremely poor argument and something I fundamentally disagree with in the first place as a reason not to address the situation on Era.
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Sure some donât wanna do that. The giant majority donât care tho
Youâre also crazy if you think blizzard isnât going to sell you character copies to era
And before you say âthey didnât say thatâ, they never said that in classic either
Yeah, big PvP fan myself. And even if PvP isnât your thing running sand still sucks. I donât know if I could have done it without watching movies on another monitor. But desperate times call for desperate etc.
This is probably why they should have just left the PvP system alone to begin with.
I mean I didnât want to, but reality forced me to. I just switched from horde to alliance and hit 51 on my latest Era guy.
I disagree. I think if there is no participation, there is no rank. If/when there are no raiders, do they have to change the raids?
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This is all somewhat tangential to the point of this thread but I will briefly pivot as it is also an important topic worth talking about.
The point is that even if its highly likely it isnât a definitive truth so for those that are willing to gamble more power to you.
For me even if it was a 1% change of them not doing era clones I wouldnât take it. Also most people are too lazy and/or oblivious to think about these things in the first place. So they get hit with the reality after the fact.
There also is the element that now they are introducing changes to fresh dual spec being the big one. So in principal they could turn around and be like they wonât allow era clones.
The fact they didnât announce it the first time is tantamount to the fact it was the first iteration of them doing this so they probably were still fleshing it out at the time and probably didnât even initially know. There is no reason now though being the second time around why they couldnât or donât definitively let us know what their plans are.
Okay. I mean I donât know what to tell you at this point.
Character clones are going to be the basic monetization of classic as they keep doing trilogy reruns.
I think if there is no participation
I was hoping you would have slightly higher intellect so let me spell it out.
The issue is not ZERO participation it is drastically REDUCED participation. That alone shatters your entire premise. So this will be the last response you illicit from me.
No need to be rude.
It was also pretty obviously hyperbole.
Cool though, that you cannot converse.
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Okay. I mean I donât know what to tell you at this point.
Character clones are going to be the basic monetization of classic as they keep doing trilogy reruns.
All I am going to say is stating something that is highly likely as a definitive truth is myopic in my book but that is just me. Again I am not willing to take the marginal risk and you are so more power to you.
Ultimately it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand anyways. The issue is a problem state of PvP in Era any other version of the game has no bearing or relevance to the discussion in all honesty.
Why turning sands for R14 if nobody queues BGs at the end?
GET RID OF THE HONOR CAP PER WEEK BLIZZ, WE WANT TO PLAY WSG AND AB TO EARN RANKS
NO HONOR LOSS
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Although I hate the new PvP system, towards the end of the old system there was lots of RMT abuse with sands. There was a guy who would threaten to sand the brackets in the multimillions if we didnât let him in our premade. People were also getting R14 with having as little as 500 HKs. Sand abuse at the time desperately needed a solution.
The solution that Blizzard gave us just made WSG/AB less relevant and because thereâs no decay thereâs never an incentive to queue anything else but AV spam.
People complained about the old system. They changed it for classic due to this crying. This is one of the downsides to the new system
If you wanted your issue fixed you would need the old rank system back. That will never happen unfortunately
they changed it to let PvE parsers get the weapons for PvE parsing
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PvPers interested in PvP rewards would love if they just gave extreme buffs to objective based honor. WSG caps and AB ticks.
The thing is, most Classic players are PvEers looking for PvE rewards. They will just queue AV until their eyes bleed. You need decay to force new blood into WSG/AB every week, or youâre just going to get the same handful of players that actually enjoy the game.
i donât give a F if everybody have a free R14, i just want to play WSG and AB ! PLAY!!!
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I just think you should have to PvP to get your PvP gear even if you want it for PvE. Some people will find out they love vanilla WSG/AB, some people will get their rewards and move on.
I was initially for the change because I think R12 should be more accessible to incentivize the growth of new PvPers and give them a nice lil stam bonus to survive Naxx PvP.
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Exactly
but Full T3 psychos are voting against this accesibility because they want to bully trash geared players everyday all day without any challenge
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As someone that got r14 with the old system I would love for it to be returned. I agree with both the old system fixing the problem and that realistically it is unlikely to ever see them revert the change.
I wasnât playing when they made this changes not really sure why they had to make the change in the first place.
Seems the old system already elegantly accounted for PvP participation (both increases and decreases) by having the bracket rank caps be relative.
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