Yea, that’s gunna kill pvp
“Crap let a hunter see me, I died”
“Crap let a rogue touch me, I died”
"Crap tried to stop a paladin and he bubble, I died’
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i have yet to 1 second kill (global) anyone… and generally need 2x dances to even come close to the 30k global youre qq bout
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I don’t knwo what you’re talkin bout bud. Every time I’ve come across a rogue in PvP, I’m dead before cheap shot expires. Every single time.
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tuning would be fine if blizzard didnt over nerf and never rebalance. lets face it assassination sucks big … and I can tell you right now that an unholy dk should smash a sub rogue. you forgot to add spriest and arms warrior and ww to the needs tuned down list you have there. unfortunately, you seem to misunderstand the point i am making is that its been EIGHT years or more that sub was even viable. you can just as equally make and gear any other class, instead youre gonna cry about the inability to big brain it in pvp… ok im not saying rogue isnt in need of tuning, because it needs dance removed, garrote/gouge/hemorrhage, and the sub identity back. but you should really not be crying about dying quick when its not even a week into pvp season yet, on a fresh xpack, because you watch the min/maxers on twitch use busted builds… as if the people playing the 1shot classes care about what classes get nerfed/ they have multiple maxed out characters ready for the next fotm. we all know activision cant balance anything. look at all of their titles and tell me there isnt balancing issues. im just saying that if you cant hang, theres the door, babe.
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its like you cant use a trap/ camo or maybe even play hunter then, because hunters ARE the ANTI-rogue. geez, you suck so others need nerfed amirite? ill tell you now that most rogues are night fae and its only the meganoobs using kyrian. it takes every cd multiplicatively stacked to hit the numbers you are seeing by rogues, and i forgot that when you inevitably gear up, a rogue will tickle just like in prepatch, and bfa.
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So you expect me to be able to counter play someone that kills me within 3 seconds? How exactly does that work? My options are: trinket the cheap shot or die. Now, if I trinket the cheap shot, the rogue just has to vanish, wait 10 seconds and open again. Then I’m dead within the cheap shot anyways. Stop pretending there is counter play. There is not. Also, stop pretending rogues were ‘tickling’ in prepatch. If you were not able to 1v1 kill anyone as a rogue then it’s a you being bad problem. Because even in prepatch they were way too strong compared to most classes.
but you can cast sequence rogues 30k burst into one button.
Edit: actually agree with some of your points, prior to the baby rage.
Sub rogues typically take more skill at the higher tiers, but we’ll just see how the kyrian tuning truly affects y’all.
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Yes they do. PVP is so unbalanced right now. IT’s not even pvp when the best option for other players is just to run away from certain classes and never engage them.
Sick wall of text
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Don’t pay attention to them. They’re heavily biased. Rogues absolutely destroy people.
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trinket>ice trap>hunters mark> kill me man…? i can tell you now i have never won vs a good hunter, let alone you guys have been killing rogues for 16 years… so you pretty much either suck or… youre doing it wrong/ need to play not-hunter. FWIW i have played sub since 2005/ throughout the good, bad, and unplayable. I dont feel the need to play my druid/pala/mage/lock due to having my main be unplayable. like chill bro theres a 3:1 hunter to rogue ratio… if youre dying to rogues in BGs, then you should really reroll/ strategy is key. rogue has 18 seconds of dance in a 10 seconds of burst window(but can keep you stunned for 6 seconds) assuming your team/partner are as braindead as a houseplant
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most hunters say they are simply going to switch to explosive shot in a double tap rapid fire anyway
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That’s supposed to be the counter… What about every other class in the game?
I’ve been doing that from the jump. It’s stupid nasty.
I agree. Ppl are not even geared. And when you have an additional 15k health with lower damage it will just become unfun again like BFA… keep it up and we will be right back there
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But they should listen to the even smaller elitest community who play too much and are just bored due to playing constantly? Hmm 
patch notes from dec 7th
"Hunter
Marksmanship
Fixed an issue where Wild Spirits (Night Fae ability) was benefitting from the damage increase of the mastery stat twice.
Damage of Wild Spirits has been increased by 25% for Marksmanship Hunters./'Ret Paladins are getting nerfed? I don’t seem to be anywhere near OP. Also, are all Hunter specs getting nerfed? MM seems really good. However, BM is one of the most balanced specs in the game.
Goodbye MM PvP. I only knew you for a short time, but I will miss you.
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Oh cut the tears. We’ll be fine.