PVP not using 4 hp talent and not using crusade?

So I am a massive hater of crusade in pvp and an even bigger hater of the 4 hp talent in general as it destroys up years of muscle memory. If I just don’t take the 4 hp talent with regular avenging wrath how hard am I screwing myself?

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Normally you don’t run Vanguard of Justice in PvP, so you’d be good there.

AW:Might vs Crusade is a tougher call because both have been nerfed to the ground in PvP. AW:Might gives 10% crit/damage/healing and Crusade I think caps out at 23% damage and haste.

Crusade is usually the better choice, but unless you are playing 2200+ I doubt it will make much of a difference.

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I swear I saw leveldin running it when he was doing normal wings. I guess I must have been mistaken.

Okay chill thanks!

also why is my divine arbiter being procced by my 4 set?

haven’t played ret since I swapped to Priest for the tier, seeing as my main for pve holy got gutted

The 4 set is an echo TV, so that could proc DA, but I’m honestly not sure if that’s intentional or a bug.

Most Rets no longer run 4piece in PvP cause it double dips on enemy versa.

TV → Reduced by Versa → 4 piece Echo is calculated off that reduced hit
→ Echo Hits, Echo is then reduced by Versa

Most play Chest/Pants 2piece, with high Versa Engi. Crafted Helm and Bracer, Mastery Embellished Shoulders, and regular Conquest Mastery/Versa Gloves.

Can always check out Vangaurds’s char for Talents and gear, or his Stream (usually at night US)

6 of one or half dozen of the other. Folks at the highest level might play 2min wings and no 4hp spenders, but would probably still do well doing the opposite. It wont make a huge change if both builds are then played well. Do what feels better and you may play better.