PVP is the most played game mode , blizzard needs to hire better devs/minds

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Every game mode pvp has the highest participation
FIFA
Grand Theft
Roblox

all most played games worldwide all you guess it PVP

Yet Blizzard is dropping the ball for 30 years on the most popular game mode .

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MMO PvP is niche and doesn’t really count in the same way.

MMOs generally always have larger PvE playerbases.

I say this as someone that loves and regularly does MMO PvP.

The game isn’t designed foundationally around PvP- it was tacked on later.

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It ain’t the most popular in this game lmao

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Sadly, the most popular game mode in WoW is dungeon PVE. Where players run around whacking stationary targets/traffic cones in scripted predictable scenarios.

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I thought I heard back in the day that the most popular mode people played was random battlegrounds, forget when, but I remember something like that

(EU Fansite Q&A with Brian Holinka and Ion Hazzikostas) - It was random bg’s and LFR having similar participation rates

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IIRC Holinka said on twitter that during MOP BGs and heroic raids had equal player numbers.

Blizzard seems to base their dev time on personal biases and not actual player numbers though - mythic raiding wouldn’t even exist if they purely spent time / money based on player numbers.

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If it was based on player numbers, we’d get endless torghast because everyone’s funneled through it or endless content for level 1s.

Participation = development doesn’t really work.

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Girl you are delulu

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It was LFR if i remember

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What they need is to have somebody in charge of PvP who has a track record of success in designing and managing PvP games. I really think that since the end of WoD the PvP development goal has been trying to make it work more like PvE by throwing random stuff against the wall and seeing if that works.

What I heard at some point was that during WotLK half of players queued for randoms.

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So… you’re mad that the game had bad pvp back when people were playing WC1 in LAN parties?

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DAOC I heard was widely successful for its time and was very PVP heavy because the devs took time to make it mean something , not just a carnival ride

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DAOC cratered in lesss then 3 years.

WoW is still a dominant part of the market after 20 years.

The ongoing failures of blizzard…

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But WoW PvP is a small part of its audience. Part of this is due to the fact that all attention goes to the top, without consideration of the fact that to grow that part of the genre Blizzard needs to make casual PvP enjoyable enough that players will keep doing it long enough to move into rated PvP.

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They should tie the new cloak to completing 2 BGs like they did the MOP cloak to bolster BG participation.

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random bg’s used to have, for a while, the same participation rates as lfr, which wasn’t a tiny portion then, I’m not sure how much smaller it is today however.

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  • Focus needs to be 100% on pug PvP. This esports / premade / ladder stuff isn’t popular and never has been. The majority of people like random BGs.
  • Remove all the stupid BG only stuff like the potions, and tinkers, and all the other overpowered garbage from them. Make them not stupid again.
  • Delete premades, ban them, whatever. Fix it.
  • Marksmanship hunters are disgusting to deal with and make so many specs unfun or flat out unplayable. Fix this abomination.
  • Nerf healers to the ground, I’m talking 90-99% healing nerfs. It isn’t fun to play a healer when they’re overpowered, and they aren’t fun to fight when they’re overpowered. No one has fun with overpowered healers except bad players who think they’re suddenly gods gift to PvP because they are now immortal gods when playing a healer.
  • Balance around random BGs, not esports arenas that no one cares about except your washed up 40 year old player base from 2007.
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it lasted 17 years and then reopened to a lesser extent sounds like a great run for an old game

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Chicken or the egg.

Blizzard doesnt put in enough effort (SIX YEARS between Battlegrounds maps?!?!?) to determine if pvp is low because of disinterest or effort.

They should widen the pool for Blitz games and adjust CR accordingly.

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Good for them I guess?

Doesn’t change that it was more or less a footnote in the medium as compared to Runescape, Everquest, FF 11, FF 14, ESO and WoW.

And of those, the only one that has anything that could be considered a truly pronounced PVP system would be Elder scrolls I guess?

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