PvP is a laughing joke

I know it’s been said a million times before but it needs to be said again. PvP is a laughing, sad joke that the developers clearly care nothing about. Who in there right mind thought that someone with top end gear should be a literal god compared to someone with fully upgraded honor gear? There seriously is no reason to pvp whatsoever anymore.

How about for fun? No, there is no fun going against a team with 10k more hp than you while stomping you in a heartbeat just because they either got carried to achieve such gear, or started early before arena was a game of gear > skill like it is today. I tried to give 9.1 a chance I really did, I thought “maybe the honor gear wont be such a huge difference from the top mythic or rated gear” boy was I wrong. There is no point in doing battlegrounds, there is no point in doing any type of pvp unless you’re geared out the BUTT.

It’s like blizzard intentionally made the rated and end mythic gear SOO much better on purpose just so people can continue to pay for carriers which cost GOLD which people pay for with $$ (WoW tokens if you didnt get the hint). Someone with top end gear should NOT be a demi god vs someone with mid-range gear it has completely destroyed the pvp in this game entirely.

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This game has become a laughing joke, stop wasting our time with these obvious posts.

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It’s exactly like that, isn’t it?

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Character progression exists. iLvl gain is a form of progression. If you’re not doing the highest end content, you don’t need the highest iLvl. It has always been awful to be lower iLvl. This is nothing new.

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Just play a DH, Warrior, WW Monk, Rogue, Ret Paladin or BM Hunter. Ez game.

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The prestige mounts, titles, and gear should be enough of an award. You want gear progression go pve. Pvp should always be an equal playing field.

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Okay, and we had that in Legion with templates. Everyone hated it at the time. Now we’re back to where we were before.

iLvl progression is still progression.

There used to be light at the end of the tunnel for unrated pvpers. There isn’t now.

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Unrated BG / Skirmishes until you get a satisfactory amount of vers -> Rated

Yes, people gatekeeping with iLvl sucks, but again is nothing new.

These are problems they acknowledged and took steps to resolve many moons ago. Here we are again. Time is a flat circle, every hell we escape will be seen again.

Also ilevel is more important than vers when initially gearing. Point for point, stam is going to get you more mileage than vers will. It is better to go do korthia and tazavesh to get that up, then go right into rated. Tazavesh also has a fair amount of vers gear to boot. Honor gear is an absolute noob trap, there are better sources of starter gear that take way less effort.

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Idc about templates. Ilvl should scale up or down in instanced pvp to be equal.

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Honestly they need to can the whole PVP team and start over holinka is a joke.

At least you get it Frozenrune. It’s the reason I haven’t played in 2months. There is just no place for me in WoW outside of traditional PvP vendors that were equal ilvl. I used to play WoW and nothing else 24/7 (non-stop random battlegrounds).

I thought when they said they were bringing PvP vendors back we would get our Cata, MoP, and WoD vendors…

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I think the main issue is that the devs/blues don’t really play PvP content.

We have ion, a former lawyer, as the head of the game. It’s well-known that he’s a longtime PvE raid-logger and his Shaman’s armory page shows he rarely PvPs.

As for Holinka, he gave a lackluster interview a while back and I got the impression that his hands were tied and he was “just following orders” from the CEO/bean-counter types up above him.

We can safely assume that most of the dev team is probably made up of PvE’ers like ion. So it’s no surprise they’ve dropped the ball with PvP lately.

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This is what the raiders don’t seem to understand. If you raid via LFR, you fight LFR bosses.

If you PVP, slowly over time the LFR raid fills up with Mythic bosses as the season goes on.

See, you’re missing the part where Rated → Unrated BG / Skirmishes

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Most of the game is turning in to a “what generates positive WoW token sales?”. Boosting generates a lot of token sales, so that’s why the uneven honor/conquest ilvl playing field is likely to stay.

These systems would likely be ridiculously fun if we had equal ilvl in the battlegrounds.

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I liked the templates but I didn’t care for pvp beyond bgs and mild arenas. Also it was the only time I ever felt pvp was slightly balanced

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I think they just need to dampen the power differential.

Like I don’t care if gear matters somewhat but there needs to be a reasonable lower bound with diminishing returns at higher ilvls.

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That’s just not true.

You’ve always been at a disadvantage without bis, yes.

However, you used to be competitive in honor gear against conquest gear if you played well.

These days? If you roll up on a 2100 geared player in your full honor gear, you lose. The end. Thanks for the free kill.

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I have been laughing about it since MoP, glad you all are joining the fun :+1: