If the leaked SoD patch notes on reddit r/classicwow are true then there is hope for PvP
I think I’ve only visited reddit once. Give us a few supposedly changes. =)
it said new PvP quest for reals, blood moon changes, gear cost less, buy reals with coins, alot of class changes
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its kinda funny how they could do full damage while in bubble and IMMUNE TO ALL CC AND NEARLY ALL DAMAGE (other than balefire bolt lol) and they compare it to purge which does 0 damage at all like the two were or are comparable.
nice try boys.
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The funny thing is its only Paladins. I guess they dont want no hard counters. LOL
its always been the case that shaman are the counter to pallies. it would go away from a long long tradition for it to be any other way honestly.
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Nerf purge to its level 12 variant and ele shamans start to become a worse version of mage.
No stuns, no hexes, or immunes. ele would start needing things like hex, burrow, static field totem, wind shear on a 30yd range.
tank shamans die to full rot damage casters i.e. locks
it was blatant paladin propaganda authored likely by you or another paladin as if having ashbringer wasn’t enough. balefire bolt not going through immunes 
love a class getting an op legendary & tier set support for a dps healer build telling everyone else they need nerfs
Who said anything about comparing? That was about COUNTERPLAY, something that is commonly missed amongst horde players because they suck and need the crutch on orc/undead racials AND shaman.
youre an angry little dwarf, huh?
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I would change dwarf to paladin. He probably falls under that 80% of them that sucks. Probably doesnt even cleanse flameshock off himself. lol
If those changes are real the only one I have an issue with is the Riptide nerf. Just give us something better offensively in that rune slot for Ele. I make have to go back to 30/0/21.
they’re not real. its pvp paladin propaganda wishlist. the dead giveaway is suggesting balefire bolt shouldn’t go through immunes
a lot of this would be a huge nerf to priests who are not amazing in pvp and its not even handed with the tier set and pve nerfs. huge nerf to resto sham healing but shockadin untouched? has the author even tried to kill a resto druid? buffs to ashbringer paladins?
every pvper can agree that we need pvp daily/weekly quests, some support for bloodmoon & its gear though
besides pvp quests + support for bloodmoon gear, the only other thing I agree with is QOL changes for items + more pet health
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could be frost mage for all we know they sit in IB. or the arms warrior who posted that. or someone who wants to give the pvpers something to look forward to.
any good pvp mage knows what rune slot balefire bolt takes. Fire mage doesn’t need a pvp nerf, if anything a buff.
arms warrior buffs are a red herring since paladin don’t struggle against most warriors.
warriors are going to be eating pretty with tier 3.5, regicide, and ashbringer. They don’t need buffs. 2 phases ago, sure…
if you can’t spot paladin propaganda as blatant as this then you need more critical reading skills
why wouldn’t you package propaganda with things people generally agree on (like giving pvpers stuff to do such as bloodmoon support and rewards for pvping, item QOL changes). textbook propaganda tactic
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Good, every warrior would trade bubble for wall in a second.
I do like shield wall when bubble can be dispelled or shattered. While it’s not almost complete immunity, and does not remove all dots, and you can’t keep the two hander out, it can’t be removed till dismantle.
In sod SW is inferior.
Stop repeating this blatant lie. You don’t even play the game if that’s what you think.
My dude you are a hilarious hypocrite. You were constantly straight-face defending and downplaying Paladins 2-shotting everyone throughout P7 with T1/T2/Templar before that got nerfed because something-something tank Shaman.
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People literally run around in PvE gear (around 3k HP) and get clapped in the stun regardless of howmany nerfs paladin gets. PvP geared people with high HP did not get 2 shotted or killed inside a HoJ at all in P7.
Meanwhile tank shaman is still broken amongst other ranged classes, you are just being ignorant and quite frankly a clown.
Almost nobody has run full PvP gear for multiple phases now because the set bonuses from PvE gear are all cracked AF in PvP. The only people I see that still use PvP gear are Mages and Warriors and even they were getting deleted in seconds by Rets in P7. This whole 'just throw PvP gear on bro" is kinda laughable now.
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i mean i have a full rank 13 setup of pvp gear and trink on the shaman who i also run a titans flask on (6.5k hp) and i get 2 shot sometimes by various classes and dont also 2 shot them back due to lack of dmg stats on the pvp gear so i dont know what else i should run in pvp.
this isnt to say im having alot of trouble , only that pvp damage has scaled up quite a bit even since the dr nerf.
ive had so many raids goin on that i really havent had time to put much into pvping and dont see it happening much at all really.
seems like its dead jim.
You should pvp once in a while. I’m taking 3600 crusader strikes as shadow. I have 6k hp self buffed. Bubbled pallys are 2 shotting people with Ashbringer.