PvP and How to Learn

I’ve been ganked by too many high level Horde to count, in trying to learn PvP on my own. I understand that I have no chance to take down someone that is 10, 15, or more levels above me.

I am interested in learning as much as I can about PvP, BiS, talents, classes, and technique.

Does anyone have a few good web sites for me to start looking over?

Experience is the best teacher. Just be prepared to die a lot.

A few tips:

Utilize everything. Find a way to use and abuse all of your abilities. There are very few that don’t have at least some use in PvP. Even a taunt can save you in PvP if say a rogue is about to blind you and there’s a nearby gray NPC.

Use keybinds. If you’re clicking an ability you’re doing it wrong.

Move with your mouse and not your keyboard.

Generally speaking backpedaling is bad.

Well timed jumps can extend the duration of speed boosts especially when approaching steep down hill inclines.

Jumping can also allow you to turn around and use an instant cast ability without losing your forward momentum.

Abuse line of sight as much as possible and be aware of when your opponent may do the same. If you’re a healer try to anticipate when your allies may run out of your line of sight. Yes, it’s their fault for not staying in your LoS but they’re still dead if they do.

Stay aware of what is around you at all times and pay close attention to positioning. This will allow you to predict things more accurately and avoid damage before it happens.

Learn about other classes and all their abilities. Knowing what your enemy can do is essential to predicting their actions.

Engineering helps.

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The two tips I think people often overlook:

1 - examine every action in your spell book. Most of them can be used in some way or other to give a pvp advantage of some sort. Find ways to put those little things to use.

2 - comb through your talent trees and think about what each one does. Often there is pvp goodness to be squeezed out. Many people approach their play from the PVE perspective. PVP is quite different. Mobility is more important. Spell rotation far less important. Figure out how to put your spec to work.

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Actually it’s not that bad dealing with players 10-15 levels above. You just need more lowbies. :slight_smile:
Mind you it’s a different case when it’s a 60 vs some 20’s/30’s.

This also tends to change when you are talking level 45-50 players vs geared 60’s. However if it’s some 28-32’s vs a 40-47 you can usually just gang up on the guy. Vanilla didn’t have quite the same power difference as later in the game when a level 100 would just absolutely obliterate level 90’s.

I don’t have a website persay… but I can tell you right now one of the most important things is to get used to never backpedaling. It’s actually worthwhile to unbind it to get used to not using it. Another is to simply have all important abilities bound to a key you can easily reach with your left hand, or on an extra mouse button.

I’d recommend getting a programmable keyboard and a decent mouse with some extra buttons.

Another suggestion is to level engineering, and stay stocked with nades/potions/bandages.

If it makes you feel any better and encourages you to stick it out… I got killed a lot learning to Warrior PVP. The only class I didn’t fear was Rogues because I knew how to hit Overpower which magically solved the problem.

Your best course of action is to PVP more. As others said read your tooltips. Learn about other classes. The more you can duel decent players who give you a hard time the better you will get. Every class has that one tricky thing they can do, learn it.

Other than that. Well, here in Texas we say “I learned the hard way, and by god you can too.” :slight_smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI

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Sit outside Orgrimmar/Ironforge and duel. That’s the only way you’re going to get better at your class.

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This is false. Look up the zone of proximal learning.

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You can be the best PvP player ever, but it won’t do much when you meet in the middle of WSG or fight on the flag in AB. You’re still going to get smoked a lot. Just go in and have fun. Dueling does not equal PvP, so don’t worry about that so much. Know your hard counters, and what hard counters you so you know what fights to pick in PvP, or which classes to focus down in the thick of a X vs. X battle.

Does not compute. How does being the best PvP player ever not relate to success in PvP?

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You can be the best player in a BG, but if the other 10-15 players focus you then you’re going down. You run into the middle and catch 2-3 Aimed Shots, 2-3 Fire Blasts, 1-2 Mortal Strikes, and a Shadowbolt or two and your toon will melt in place.

If you run out into the middle you’re not the best PvP player. You’re a zergling who doesn’t understand positioning.

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:roll_eyes:

This. Playing against the same people again and again will get you automatism and help you understand how things work.

I used to duel a warrior and he never understood why unlike other hunters I would start the fight at max range. I was simply getting mounted and rushing him from maxrange, smashing my scatter shot button while jumping. 100% of the time, the server latency would make him charge but get scattered as well. That’s the kind of things you learn by doing many duels.

Dueling is the core of learning PvP. You really shouldn’t say that to someone eager to learn.

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A lot of great comments, a few I have already learned and some are new to me.

Thanks.

A lot of good responses.

I didn’t see watching other peoples PvP videos mentioned and that helped me greatly. Find as many videos as you can of someone else playing your class.

Some people make videos and are not particularly good, lol, but there are good players. It can speed up your learning a lot. Two different people may choose to tackle a problem in different ways. Their way may be better, yours may be better, so you incorporate the best of both into your system.

After that its practice. You develop muscle memory to the point you are already pushing the button for the situation before you are consciously telling your finger to do so.

Yeah, here’s some advice: Stay out of my way.

I will put you on my list.

Your Welcome.