With some type of implementation of racial changes for PVP, they need to address PVE racials like troll beserking.
Imagine playing a Undead Mage,Lock,Spriest and then going undead for classic only to find out when your racials for classic become nerfed in Wotlk you cant actually change.
You cant Parse with a undead in WOTLK you will at best be 95% of a real parse. the racial is HUGE. Its an extra 15% haste when you want it on your biggest cd’s.
Ain’t that bad, I’m a belf hunter and I can still get 99s for all fights, without DST too. You just can’t hit rank 1’s.
I do agree with you because I’m in the same boat in a different way with my dwarf priest from classic. I have no desire to play dwarf (no offense) because they are so ugly. They are not unique with fearward anymore so it’s a waste to be the race he is.
Parsing is kinda different. While I do agree there is a huge gap inbetween those with the haste and those not, parsing boils down to a lot of how quick your kill time is, how unlucky you are with mechanics, and how many PIs the priest shove into you.
I’d ask are you trying to be the best globally? If so then use your wrath boost on a different race warlock. If you are using logs as personal growth, then only compare yourself to other UD warlocks.
I hope they allow race changes but if not, rest assured you def look the best being UD.
Yes, I agree. ANY balancing of racials for PVP means PVE racials need to be balanced.
meanwhile dwarf priest fearwards…
Sounds like you should have put more thought into your metasheepness.
Shouldn’t you be making primal might?
Calm down, killer. I need to get home, first.
No worries.
I still have to grind consortium rep.
Or we just leave it as is and let people have fun in a 10+ year old version of the game lol.
Balancing racials to appease the top 1 percent at the expense of fun is lame imo. Who cares what your parse is so long as you can clear the content parsing is just a mini-game that players came up with.
Same with arena, 2k+ glad/R1 level teams aren’t dependant on racials to secure their spot. With the absence of any kind of competitive tournaments for classic arena it doesn’t matter on one’s position as opposed to their bracket when it comes to the ladder.
Blizzard should reconsider adding race changes to the game. PVE and PVP, the simplest solution here is to leave things as they are and leave the agency with the players. We’re here to play WoTLK, not WoTLK with massive racial balance changes that Blizzard tweaks over the entire expansion. Part of the joy of Classic is a consistent experience.
If you didn’t care about berserk in classic or crusade you don’t need to start caring about it in wrath. This isn’t the place to start rebalancing races. Classic needed it more but didn’t get any. Wrath is pretty well balanced on its own but now players want it because the race they cherry picked is no longer the meta gaming “best” choice. Well, that’s too bad. You’ll just have to deal with it like my undead characters will.
"Weren’t you asking for human nerfs
-No, is actually the opposite, if you see any of my posts in threads asking for humans to be nerfed.
“In classic I thought there would be race changes hence the no changes and clearly you don’t understand the troll racial gets severely buffed costs nothing is off gcd and is flat haste.”
-You should not have banked on a race change they never said was coming. You also seem confused about what I know as you take the time to unnecessary explain the race skills to me. I know what they do. I just do not see a need to rebalance them. Priests in classic which were not dwarf did not get fear ward but they had to deal with it. Now it’s your turn to deal with it. Can you “clearly understand” that?
That interview answer wasn’t specific, and perhaps I’m just reading into things, but I more or less got the impression that they where already concerned with the PvE racials disparity, as much as the pvp racial one.
It was certainly an interesting and relatively unexpected area to target, even if I’m personally in favor of nerfing EMFH while also being one of the few horde who can admit that Orc and troll at least need PVE nerfs, and also that arcane torrent is probably the next biggest outlier after EMFH in wrath pvp. I’d further add, that I’d prefer to make my DK undead, which is probably the single worst race on horde for DK. Zero pve benefit, and DK is one of the few classes where wotf isn’t that useful.
Weren’t you asking for human nerfs
Non orc hunters can get 99s now…
Racials aren’t stopping that, skill is.
Dwarf basically has no hunter racials…
You don’t need your racial to parse 99. It’s mainly positioning, activity and kill times
It seems pretty obvious to me that racials that provide direct or indirect boost in dps can sometime be really bad for both pve and pvp.
And racials that provide too strong of an utility for the current game balance can also be broken.
Exemples :
Vanilla/Tbc pvp balance is really bad = perception, wotf, stoneform, orc racials are op in pvp. Because they are game changers.
Wotlk balance is better so racial utility is not as impactful, but pve trinkets on the other hand are very strong = every man for himself is op cause it allows you to wear an extra trinket. So much that everyone roll alliance for pvp if only one of their team member can play as human. Healer with solace AND bauble? Phys dps with ArP AND attk power proc trinkets? Too good to pass up.
This isn’t true. You can still get 99’s with undead. Racials don’t make that big of a difference in parsing. Unless you’re talking about potential rank ones. Then you might be on to something.
Also, if you care this much about parsing, you might want to talk to your mental health professional.
Man I find it hilarious every single post complaining about racials is an undead. You guys didn’t seem to worried about racials all throughout classic lol.
I would say nerf the troll haste cd for wrath to help even the playing field. But the people don’t want to change pvp racials in wrath, in fact they just want them to be left as they were in wrath.