If a group leader is deliberately inviting someone 10-20 ilevels lower, and with far less experience than other applicants, “charity” seems like a perfectly apt description to me. Most PUG leaders are trying to maximize their chances of successfully completing a key, not gear up random strangers.
10-20 item levels is about the difference there SHOULD be between your gear and the rewards of the dungeon you’re attempting, that’s not charity at all… it’s how the game is supposed to be played
yes people like to maximize their chances but it’s silly to overkill 100% of the time, always wanting people who overgear the dungeon by 20-30 ilvls. childish
That’s correct, so go make and host that group for you and like-minded people that need that gear.
As for their assumed competence in the mechanics involved, well there’s one way to find out. Me and many others have already jumped through these hoops over a year ago. We will not sacrifice any time for strangers to maybe hope they will learn such things or if they will even be grateful for our help. The brutal reality is that most will neither be grateful nor learn from their experience. It is not our fault that some people started the expansion late or took 6-12 months off or whatever.
We know exactly what we’re talking about. From your initial first post in this thread you would have already progressed yourself up from your own M0 run to your own +10 (or higher) key, and likely made some friends too. However you refuse to do any of this.
You have no evidence or metrics to back up your claims. We do. M+ score is not a perfect system but its certainly far better than (likely false) word of mouth.
Go host several hundred M+ runs or a few thousand like I have since early legion. I guarantee with 100% certainty you will turn into the picky group leaders you so despise. It is the inevitable outcome when you realize you hate wasting your time (and possibly the time of friends too) due to the incompetence of one of more players.
Wrong. It’s mostly muscle memory from constant repetition of the specific mechanics and trying to find the best way to exploit the abilities of you and your team to counter those mechanics. You don’t get this muscle memory by not doing the content. The closest thing of value to current season experience is previous season experience, and even that I view as having questionable value given the seasonal affix and the fact that people get rusty in their WoW skills VERY fast.
Now I know you’re just trolling. There are plenty of mid-higher range M+ players who have not touched a minute of norm+ raiding the entire BFA expansion. I’m one of them and I know many others from in-game conversations. I’m sitting on 4 characters now in season 4 above ilvl 475 average with ZERO raiding experience on any of them. This is also why I view mythic raiding experience in BFA as relatively worthless in regards to indicating competence in M+ content. I don’t care if you did 12/12 mythic n’zoth within the first month of the tier. Your M+ score shows you have good experience in the M+ content or you don’t, nothing else matters. Anyone that links me achieves or irrelevant credentials gets automatically declined and ignored.
Every statement I have said above has come from hosting A LOT of M+ runs across MANY characters of ALL key levels below +20 in BFA (might reach that before expansion ends) and below +25 in legion.
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If you’re even able to see a group in the LFG tool, it means the group leader has set the ilevel requirement low enough for you to see it. Just ask yourself this: why would a group leader select you over a page full of applicants who are better by every metric they have available? It’s not malicious, or “childish,” or “entitled.” Noone is suggesting that you can’t learn or complete the content. They’re just making the best decision they can for their group using the data that they have at hand.
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by the time i have cleared the bar they have set, i will no longer require the content, thats the point of the thread
bro you just exposed yourself lol, its not no damn muscle memory, some of us actually know what we are doing… omg… this sums up the people who disagree tho
Lol. Yea I’m sure you are buddy… You said it so now its written on the Internet it must be true
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And everyone else’s point is that you have the ability to set that bar yourself by forming your own group and leveling your own key.
No one is keeping you out of the content but you.
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whoa EILIS wise words, never thought of forming my own group, wow, its like u have the perfect solution. because a person only runs mythics on one key per week right
Well, you could try making some friend’s to get the rest of them done, but if you act in game anything like you do on the forums, I imagine you’d still have trouble finding a group.
The only thing consistent in your problem is you and your expectation that everyone else should set their groups to your standards.
But hey, keep whining on the forums looking for someone else to “fix” it for you instead of growing up and fixing the problem yourself. I’m sure it’ll work out great for you.
Edit to add:
You do know you can host more than one group/key per week right? Since you seem to not understand most of this, I’ll break it down simple:
Run a mythic, get a key.
Host that key, get a new key at the end.
Host that key, get a new key at the end.
Provided you actually vet your group and not just take someone cause that “content would be an upgrade for them,” you’ll find you can host a bunch of keys.
And, if you learn how to be a bit less abrasive, maybe even make some friend’s to run other keys, instead of relying on the rng of what key you get to pick your dungeon.
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Stop being a baby and put some effort in if you want better results
wow!!! REALLY??? U CAN GOT NEW KEY AFTER BEAT DUNGON???
its the same key eilis, so u only have one path to run dungeons on by your method, instead of people just being decent, my method lol
thats exactly why i take people and ive rarely had a problem. mythic+ dungeons are NOT demanding when it comes to gear, it’s the mechanics that trip people up, and vets like me know gear doesnt matter unless you want to be carried lol
i for one do not want to be carried. i can bring similarly geared people and do fine, no need to cover up your elitism
my bnet is full because i’m impressive and people like playing with me, and i just ran a 9 yesterday with some buds
alll of you guys advice is totally invalid lol just admit that i’m right and youre all elitist
Wow huge bro. Can you teach me you leet skillz!
Lol
So the “old man” mentality is good when you think it applies to you and justifies your inclusion in content other people aren’t inviting you to, but is bad when someone more experienced is telling you you’re being childish. Arguing out of both sides of your mouth is childish too.
I didn’t call it out because it’s not botched, and I never hated it. I said I “learned quickly that I couldn’t get into any pugs because of my low gear score.” I recognized that the solution to my problem was me and acted accordingly. That’s what adults do when they’re not blaming their situation on everyone else.
And apparently you missed the part of the story where I was filling the group quickly with other people that couldn’t get into pugs.
Everybody knows this. You’re incapable of understanding that no one is saying that. They’re telling you that people use IO score to see if someone has relevant experience that may make them a lower risk than someone with none, and ilvl to try to get gear quality to make up for the mistakes someone may make in terms of damage output and health pool to absorb errors.
Can you acknowledge that a bad player in 470 gear will outperform an equally bad player in 450 gear?
Who the hell are you to tell people how they are “supposed” to play? If someone only likes to overkill why do you get to decide that they’re wrong? It’s their subscription, not yours. It’s none of your business. Play the way you want, but don’t for a minute expect that you have the right to decide how other people should just because it would be convenient for you. This is why you’re self-centered and entitled. You’re not recognizing that your assessment of what is the “right” way to play is not the one, true, objective way for everyone.
What if someone is running their ilvl 400 friend through a M+5. They want to fill the other 2 dps spots with the highest ilvls they can to make up for the discrepancy. What exactly do you think gives you the right to decide they can’t do that, and they have to bring you instead?
The point of the thread is actually that you can’t seem to grasp that gearing you up isn’t the reason the rest of us play.
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It’s not the same key lol. You really have no clue how any of this works. If your understanding of the key mechanic is representative of your play in the actual dungeons there is a good reason you can’t get into groups.
Yes. We’re all impressed with you. /eyeroll
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I’m impressed with how much rubbish he can spout lol
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the key gets upgraded… i cant believe im doing this right now
it’s one key because youre limited to the dungeons you can do, ONE, for each level
i dont need every joe and jill to like me, especially if theyre elitist
some people understand a good player when they play with one, thats all i need
just came here to say wow, some of you all are really messed up
So why won’t they bring you to their keys? Why do you have to pug into groups at all? Surely with such a full bnet of people who like playing with you there is no problem finding a key to whichever dungeon you’re trying to get loot from.
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Then do keys with your full bnet list of people who are so impressed by your ability… If they exist
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I ran into a frost mage who was hosting a 17 WM one time. This dude had a bunch of runs 15+ and a relative io score that said he was competent. Dude pulled 40k boss damage and like 60 on my standard large trash pulls.
I went on an investigation as to how this was possible because meh dps was 60k overall and good to exceptional was 80-100k overall.
Turns out, dude just kept putting his key on the line no matter what it was and occasionally found people who cared enough about the run to carry him. Every run he had was within the previous 2 weeks, always a pug and he was always the lowest member (ilvl and score).
I, as tank, beat his over all dps. This is what’s achievable when you run your own key.
this is the norm dude, most m+ people are not good, including most of you posting here
running more m+ does not make you better, you get better by learning your class and how to play the game in general, read some guides, i wrote a guide years and years ago but it’s now obsolete
i am the exceptional on most classes and average on a few because i have put in the time and effort to learn and perfect my craft, rather than people who just run dungeons and think theyre great because theyve managed to run dungeons earlier than other people
that is why i said i will outperform, pound for pound, at least 80% of people who do mythic+ dungeons, because like the guy above you said, you just have muscle memory and cant adapt to new situations and figure out how to get the best outcome
me? im tight as @#$%!!!