Does anybody know if we will get a actual pure range spec in dragonflight?
So no pets available and we get mobility\toolkit like a ranger would need to stay at range and kite?
Lone wolf is cool, but its useless due to losing out on pet sac and freedom. Would love to see something added so we can be actual pure rangers with guns\traps\engineering tool without the use of pets.
Uhhh. Marksman
No there has been very little conversation on the fact hunters have changed very little since the legion cause of borrowed power making most the player base feel its fine but after you take it away there not many sustain or defensive abilities that are good enough without borrowed power. And pets need be an attack utility and a passive or two anything used on the player should become part of our skillset not the pets. And toss is pet respecing while we are at it.
Like comparing survival to MM its like 2 different worlds in terms of toolkit, damage, and options when engaging in a fight. Lots of people might not like the melee on survival but i think overall as a melee pet class whoever built it did a dam fine job. 3 mobility skills (cheeter,disen, harpoon), great traps, Great range attacks awesome CC and defensives then you compare it to MM and the toolkit is just so bad\poor in comparison.
MM has pets but they dont really interact with the spec at all like it does with survival. Pets take up like 4-7 key binds with attack,follow, sac,freedom,heal\revive,moveto,summon pet and i feel like i would rather have 7 abilities that are unique for a bow\marksmen. To the degree of what survival has. Crossing my fingers for some sort of revitalization to MM.
um we have the same defensive abilities thou we have to use a pet too…
MM has most of that, sans Harpoon and Intimidation but with a baseline Binding Shot to make up for it.
Yup that is exactly what my post is about. Survival the pet is key to the spec its part of the rotation. On MM we have to use to pet if we want the same defensive abilities however the pet isnt part of the spec\rotation at all. My post is basically saying it would be nice if we could had a MM spec that could stand lone away from the pet.
If we didnt have the pet then it would open up more action bars where we could get a toolkit in line with most range classes.
One sort of revitalization would be the restoration of the spec to the day preceding the Legion pre-patch. It was plenty vital. What is it now is the BONES of the spec it used to be, to make the thrice damned Melee Survival spec look better than it really is. MM is on a choke chain, kept clunky ,hobbled, and Focus starved, making MSV look all the more smooth and polished. You want MM to be more like MSV? So do I.
By the way, if we didn’t have pets, they we wouldn’t be MM Hunters.
And, why would you think that as a Ranger, you will be able to do the same things me and my pet can do? After all, there are two of us, and you being alone, do you expect more than the Lone Wolf buff? Did you know the Ranger build was tried? It didn’t work then, due to low survivability. Better cover that before those unique MM shots.
Yup true they might be different to BM\Survival. I liked legion MM i played it plenty but i know heaps of people didnt like the interaction of the mastery or whatever it was called at the time where you have to aimshot to expose weakness or whatever. I liked it, was a bit engaging but blizzards base UI didnt do a good job with that.
I just dont trust blizzard would even put the effort in to do the rework as it seems they dont even have time to launch the next xpac.
Right but we have the same defensive abilities Feign Death, Exhilaration, Aspect of the Turtle Aspect of the Cheetah and Disengage. There are pet 3 specs and MM has Lonewolf.
If they redid Lonewolf it should be a 3 stance for things to be fair with a cooldown the length of a pet swap. Ferocious Lonewolf 10% damage 10% leech and the spell Primal Rage added to spellbook it Increases haste by 30% for all party and raid members for 40 sec. Allies receiving this effect will become Sated and unable to benefit from Primal Rage or similar effects again for 10 min. Cunning Lonewolf 10% damage 8% movement and gain masters call but renamed to Wild and Free and your break to free removing all root and movement impairing effects from yourself and your pet, and grants immunity to all such effects for 4 sec. Tenacious Lonewolf 10% damage and 5% hp you gain the spell Survival of the Fittest it Reduces all damage you and your pet take by 20% for 6 sec.
But after Borrowered powers are gone Feign Death, Exhilaration, Aspect of the Turtle Aspect of the Cheetah and Disengage will still be an issue they work better for BM and MM then they do for SV but i still think some these are more lacking then others when it comes to class defensive abilities overall and people really need talk about how these can be done better.
Scapegoating the pet as the reason we don’t have a good defensive toolkit is a weird take.
We aren’t lacking in action bar spots especially when the pet gets its own action bar and most of its actions are only occasionally used.
Are ranges pets still a thing. Back in the day I loved having a ranged pet with me and shooting, would be cool and have that sac and freedom right next to you.
Read my post, in order to play without a pet you literally lose the best defensive hunters have, plus freedom. My post is about the fact that lone wolf is a really bad implementation of no pet ranger spec.
Pets themselves take up like 6-7 action bars for most good players which means we basically have less abilities\toolkit than the majority of the specs in the game. Not only do we not have defensive toolkit without a pet outside of turtle and feign death but we dont even have a stun which is basically required at this point in most pvp instances. All you have to do is literally list out what lone wolf MM has and compare it to any other spec and we always lose when it comes to defensive toolkit\mobility.
I would love a petless full mobility spec. I hate standing still to cast/aim. It’s 2022, either make everything (not just hunters) cast while moving or make it all instant cast.
I think the full mobility while casting blizz wanted to get away from because it makes designing boss fights\raids around more difficult because being able to move and attack makes it far to easy.
I was more meaning more mobility skills outside of disengage, so maybe a skill you could click it and your next aimshot lets you slide while casting would cool. Or just some sort of utility now that we are a Ranger spec without a pet to tank, that allows us to keep at a distance\run away.
Wow has no Ranger spec, not in any Class. A MM running with the Lone Wolf buff is no Ranger, and such was never the intention of the buff. It was a gift, not a bad implementation of no pet ranger spec.
Are you advocating a play-style, or a new spec? Do you think Talent Trees could give you what you want?
In your eyes, Just what IS a Ranger?
I am saying that wow should have a pure ranger spec. Hunter spec that doesnt have pets would be a pure ranger spec. I am not a game developer and i dont belong to a billion dollar company that makes a online fantasy RPG game but i am sure the game devs could figure out how to make a ranger spec for wow.