I liked HW’s story the most through the leveling, but started hating it again in Stormblood.
I own Shadowbringers, but haven’t even got to it yet because I was getting really annoyed with the post-story grind.
We are fine with people wanting to play they want to in fact I encourage it pick a covenant stick with it just use their ability if things are opened . But don’t deny us the right to obtain multiple abilities to experiment with and play the way we would like to play . If anything we want to give people more options because the story will only take you so far then the game play kicks in .
So what are you going to do when your so called meaningful choice starts to affect how you play and that despite how much you like the covenant the ability from them is hampering your game play fun .
Do you switch covenants or do you unsub until the next patch for more story?
I would rather they pull the rip cord so I can keep playing a game I have enjoyed for years.
lol poor Ion is probably getting so many phone calls about giving us a perfect meme in “pull the rip cord”.
But yes, This rip cord needs to be pulled and the fantasy aspect needs to be un-linked away from the practical aspect to preserve what little is left of player sanity.
If they do it, they will save the expac before it launches…if they don’t it will be just another time they didn’t listen to us and by the law of self forfilling prohocy it shall fail even if they make it perfect.
Blizzard you have angered my inner fashion min maxer…tread carefully.
I’m just trying to understand how advocating for more free, less restrictive character building, experimentation and progression is restrictive in any way.
I mean it was both, which is what I said in my original post. I think the Legendaries in Legion ended up being good in the end. It just took us almost 2 years to get there.
I want to see how its implemented first. If it doesn’t work, then change it.
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You can already do that, and it doesn’t.
So we’re in agreement, then?
So instead of giving the trouble of having a choice at all time.
You prefer removing acess to it.
Why do we even have talents if you don’t believe people should make choices how they want?
Atleast FF14 is honest, there’s no talents nothing.
I haven’t played it yet. The Covenants aren’t changing anyway so I’ll still get to experience it as it was intended. If it doesn’t work, then change it.
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This logic doesn’t hold up. If covenant swapping opens up, you can still play the game 100% “your way”. You can commit to one covenant and champion it the whole expansion. It’s “your way” that adversely affects other players and restricts how they would prefer to play the game. “Our change” has no effect on you, “your way” has a tremendous impact on those who disagree.
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That is exactly how it works, though. In an open system you can -choose- to try to make your spec as optimal as you can for all content, or you can arbitrarily place restrictions on yourself as Blizzard is doing to ALL of us right now. In an unlocked system, there is noone telling you how to play, in this locked system, Blizzard -is- telling me how to play.
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People are playing it right now, including me. Yesterday I accidentally put the wrong potency conduit on my soulbind and I had to delete that Paladin and make a new one because I didn’t want to play an entire week with a holy conduit as a prot Pally. Time gating covenants and conduits is an awful idea.
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That totally won’t lead to pointless frustration down the line, I tell you hwat.
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I don’t prefer removing access to it. There wasn’t access to it to begin with and people are asking to be given that access because… reasons.
And you’re putting words in my mouth.
As i’ve already told you, we have a lot of free agency to swap things around right now.
Spec/Gear/Talents/Legendaries/Soulbinds/ect.
I don’t believe we need to further con-volute that and add even MORE choices to completely change.
We can agree to disagree.
But I don’t want to have to completely change load outs for EVERY style of fight in every aspect of the game.
Switching covenants? Okay, now I have to switch legendaries, conduits, gear, and talents so I can be an AoE god.
Okay, now i’m going to go raiding, now let me switch to my best single target load out!
Its a fallacy to say this is going to create diverse “builds”.
There will be an optimal single target/aoe/pvp build for each class and that load out will be what we have to constantly switch between to be useful.
Doesn’t sound fun to me.
Sorry.
It actually does. Your way makes the covenant system feel shallow and meaningless to me. It would affect me greatly and I would feel far less enthusiastic about the expansion as a result.
I don’t want them to pull out the ripcord for that reason.
I dont see why it would be meaningless or shallow.
How is a week long grind just for swapping a talent anything but shallow by itself?
Try not to get hung up by the RPG propaganda, it’s really just a clunky mess if you look past that.
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…but what you just described is diverse builds. It’s different builds for different situations, instead of the one catch all build that is better in one situation and worse in another. The benefit in one area is going to outweigh the benefit in another, and thanks to everyone’s availability to the internet, we’re going to end up with an overwhelming majority of that one covenant.
Explain this? If it’s unlocked, you pick your covenant and you never change it, ever. In a world of people swapping covenants to have different talents, you’d be a lone hero staying loyal to your people. You’d be one of the chosen ones, how is that shallow? It’s EXACTLY how you’d be playing right now, but you’d be way more specialer.
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Because what point would there be to get enthusiastic about a covenant, with the feeling of being on a team, and enjoying its flavor, if we’re expected to just swap them at will?
Then there’s the matter of some of us just flat out hating certain covenants, but under your way we’d be expected to be them at some point. You could easily say “just don’t switch” but c’mon, let’s be real, that wouldn’t be viable.
The RPG feel is exactly what I’m after.
LOL
You say that, and yet…there is talents.
Why would I choose all non-optimal talents when the game is very clearly balanced around those talent choices? Do I think Ray of Frost is a cool ability to use as a frost mage? Sure…is it useful in any way? Not at all.
Again, you’re asking players to be willfully ignorant. That’s just silly Froom.
Also, blizzard isn’t telling you how to play. Blizzard is giving you options to choose for your class, and letting you make a choice. Again with the hyperbole.