I have my advantage in my raid, but if I want to do a M+ or a PvP adventure, I will be hindered. The severity of the hindrance could be negligible, or could make me dead weight. That feels awful.
Having this issue with azerite traits and essences is already annoying enough, but the ease of swapping makes it tolerable. There is no saving grace for locked-in covenants.
We don’t talk about melee Surv 
Range Surv. R.I.P. You will be fondly remembered .
Melee surv best surv.
Oh can not like this one enough .
If you don’t like titanforging, just don’t equip items that wf/tf.
If you don’t like ap, just don’t grind it.
But it sounds like it’s not that you don’t like those systems, you just don’t want other players to have them.
And instead of making adjustments to affliction so that is retains its ST performance but also has a place in M+, the solution is to allow you to click a button and morph into a fire mage for m+. Sounds like “freedom” to me.
What I don’t understand is the ‘people don’t need to be optimal’ argument. We’re -already- not optimal. A disc priest is never gonna outperform a resto druid in a M+, why are we driving a wedge in that gap?
#pulltheripcord
No matter how many good points you may make, the fact that you tried to make a hashtag out of it will mean I’ll completely ignore it.
The above was written as feedback as to how to write a better argument instead of sounding ridiculous over a not serious topic. A hashtag over this sounds like just a joke compared to some of the better written and articulated arguments against covenants you can find.
As pointed out before, I do H and some M raiding with my guild. We’re not a world first or anything like that, but STILL there are certain requrements.
A) Pick the BEST covenet for your raid spec
B) Do a highest level M+ you can. If this locks to my key what if I get a key with crap loot drops when I need a key for a diffrent dungon? I can’t just ‘form my own group’ because I don’t have what I NEED to form my own group. If this gose live let me PICK the dungon my key is for, and set the level on what I did last week, since there’s enough RNG in getting the right loot, getting the right M+ dungon oh and having the right covenent.
Frankly the ‘Make your own M+ group’ argument fails BECAUSE of the RNG of your key. You know which level you’ll get and that’s fine. But you don’t know if you’ll get the right dungon. For example most 2H Melee classes want KR. You know how many KR keys I got running M+ every week? ONE.
And this also means I’m screwed from doing WPvP if there is one uber pick for that. Something I’ve enjoyed on my main this exp, who is also my Raider and my M+ runner.
When the diffrences are in the DOUBLE DIGITS there is an issue. We’re not talking 1, 2, maybe 5%. Some people are saying a 50%+ diffrence for certain classes for certain covenents. Oh and as a paily I’d also like to point out ONE OF OUR COVENENTS DOSEN’T NEED MORE THEN 1! It’s an aura. A freaking aura which means only 1 paily max needs to take it.
Sepreate powers from covenents, and make the former easy to change and the latter only mogs and such and I don’t care about it. But locking player progression and power behind an artifical gate which Blizzard has HISTORICALLY proven unable to balance is a disaster.
Sounds like a horrible guild tbh. Should be allowed to just pick what you want if you’re not cutting edge Method or whatever.
#PullTheRipcord is actually picking up steam outside of these forums now
This is exciting, pull the ripcord @Blizzard 
Nah, ripcord should stay in. You guys just need to learn to deal with it.
There aren’t any covenants in classic anyway, you don’t need to worry.
#PullTheRipcord
Classic is garbage. I won’t stand by and let retail fall to the same fate.
#LeaveTheRipcordIn
You might not realize this, but your character is a classic character.
If I’m feeling generous, I might go through all these really bad arguments and just completely rewrite them so the authors can see how silly they sound.
“You’re trying to take something from me.” No, we’re trying to avoid another disaster all together and another wasted on xpac on blizzard fixing an idea that was bad from the start.
PullTheRipcord and then delete borrowed power all together and restore identity to the classes with good unpruning and flavorful abilities all together.
That would be an amazing start, then delete warmode and sharding so Emerald Dream can go back to the business that matters.
I did take part in it. It’s a mess always has been always will be. I also did rbgs up to 2100 was still a mess and fhen they hard nerfed warrior flag running so I stopped.
It’s not a mess though, but they have the tools to make it even more intricate and epic. I’ve lead plenty of structured wPvP over WoWs history.
But if they actually worked on the better systems they’ve created, wPvP would be taken to a whole new level of awesome.
they have a mount system with mount upgrades, they have a combat system for mounts…
They could have aerial flying, tanks on the ground, and boats in the sea if they wanted…
we have destructible buildings and what not…
you may want to try flag running on war again they got good damn movement
Not true, pretty much the only people who like it are those who want to punish the dreaded hard core. The people who dislike it cover a far larger gamut. A lot of people enjoy experimentation rather than simming. Look at someone like rextroy he isn’t simming his crazy one shot builds he’s coming up with a concept and working within the framework of the game to make it work. That kind of experimentation won’t be a thing with covenants unless you level multiple of the same class and it blows.
So you want to take off with a funny sounding engine and fog as far as thebey can see which is abiut 5 feet in front of the cockpit?