That’s pathetic lol. So all premades will dodge isR now. Bunch of wuzzs.
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The pug community as a whole was never really different though. The period I played this game the most was wotlk/cata when I got bloodthirsty and there was only AV and Ioc. AV was usually 20+ people camping outside drek/van, even if the other team backcapped the first 2 bunkers/towers they’d sit there, chat would complain they have to leave the base and do objectives / defend fwgy/spgy, the majority wouldn’t and the game would end because 5 people backcapped on a team unwilling to spare people not waiting outside the boss room.
At best you’d have like 5-10 people defending the initial bunkers / backcapping, the majority would always just sit and do exactly what classic does now, afk near the boss so they have to do as little as possible to get a reward… which is the same as premades. Yeah premades don’t rush the boss, but they’re just seeking a reward through the least resistive means they can conceive.
Ioc on the other hand was actually pretty good, the hanger meta wasn’t really as established, I honestly can’t remember if the vehicles were weaker or maybe bombs were stronger? Either way, even when it was a loss the entire map would be covered with pockets of fights. People cared more about pvping a game that was eventually going to end. If alliance was winning you’d see a group of 5-10 horde sitting outside the alliance gates just pvping with an equal number of alliance, at least it was pvp. People understood the match was over and just treated the map as a sandbox game, that still occurs on occasion but more often than not you’ll just people sweating over kills blowing cooldowns in 3v1s because omg I want to kill the red thing.
I genuinely believe welfare pvp gear is the worst possible thing for new players to grasp the game. Like if you’re in full conquest and fighting someone in honor gear, and you use cooldowns to get them down… you’re just making mistakes all around. But thats what they do(always have). Premades don’t help them learn otherwise because there’s so much forgiveness for making mistakes, new players further rely on things like gear gaps, healer skew, mild organization, and they never improve. Could go into class development also being an issue, like a ret paladin cannot waste wings under the current system, back when it was 2/3mins you could easily misuse it. There’s so much forgiveness from a mechanical standpoint that people are just free to learn habits that don’t carry over into any other form of the game.
Like if you’re using cooldowns to kill someone in a 3v1, you’re probably using cooldowns when a pack is at 20% in a m+. But if you’re just running around in premades it really doesn’t matter because you’ll never be in a situation where the numbers aren’t in your favour. Unless you chase premade vs. premade situations but if that were the case communities would be playing rated bgs with their 3-8 full teams, learning combat mechanics at their own pace.
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report away you que syncher! I dont mind…make sure you go get all your cheating little buddies. Can’t do anything on your own…better be sure tho pal. hate to see you not participate on here…wheres hirav and chickenboi at?
somewhere in your reply is the name of my 70 hunter
I checked pvp’d you. Makes me really sad to know you were hawktuah mage.
Care to explain this, was a good laugh to be had that day.
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pretty self explanatory.
the joke is i cant log in to change the name.
every account i get banned for language has pretty awesome toon names.
I played some games teh last few days that I knew did not have premades on either side. One faction was dominating the other so hard, I couldn’t help but wonder if the other faction thought there “had to be a premade.”
If all you guys want to do is confirm each others’ biases there’s zero point in discussing anything in order to help you all improve or adjust.
I think I hear what you’re saying. But different people play differently in premades. A lot do just zugzug and chase meters or mess around. But some actually do play objectives, backcap, and/or do the jobs many don’t want to do. However, when it comes down to it, solos/pugs behave the same way: most want to just zerg/damage meter/HKs while the (honestly) better players choose to prioritize objectives.
What a lot of people don’t seem to get is epic BGs are their own PvP mode. There is none other like it. RBGs are not epic BGs. Arena is not epic BGs. If I want to play epic BGs there is no reason why I’d want to play RBGs - they are completely different. The reasons I play with a community if I want to is because I genuinely like (some of) the people and want to play with them and because I want the premade vs. premade games. Those are the only good games to be had apart from being extremely lucky and getting a very even pug vs. pug game where everyone wants to win.
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Hmm Im pretty certain now you either just don’t get it, or intentionally avoiding discussion on tough points? Maybe just trolling? You definitely have trouble viewing the whole matter from an objective perspective to make sensible judgement. Either way, feel free to continue pushing some skewed views if you wish, but that is not what I like to spend more of my time on.
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I you want to do the more obscure objectives/jobs whats the benefit to playing with a 30+ person community vs. just 5-10 people together?
Like I understand a full premade vs. premade is different and there is appeal for that, but if you’re playing with general map strategy and not so much combat strategy, queueing 5-10 and just playing your own objectives can have the same effect regardless of if the other 20 are with you in chat as well.
As for the rbg thing I mean that more in the sense of players are forced into responsibility, so like the players who are in premades because they are weak pvpers, aren’t improving… they’re just fading into the background because there are 30-50 people fighting at once.
Join an arathi basin and you’re not just one warrior on the battlefield, you’re a warrior who can spell reflect, intervene, charge, stun, spear, shout, interrupt, you’re literally a single avatar that performs the functions of a squad of 5 men. If a fight has 6 players, its essentially 20 units (by rts ability standards) strategizing it out. I just think rbgs are a simpler avenue for players to learn the subtle nuance to their class mechanics/fight roles and instead of just being a warrior who charges in when the coast is clear to bladestorm ontop of 3 casters, they also learn how to setup a shockwave or intervene a retreat, because the 10v10 nature is significantly more transparent with pendulum swings.
I just rarely if ever see spell interactions used to their full effect in epics, like you’ll see significantly better plays made in rbgs with 5 highly rated players than you will with 30 in an epic, when the potential is exponentially more grand in the latter. Its complex… but as I said if premades wanted to improve their premade vs. premade capabilities, learning in a 10v10 setting is much better than just trial and erroring it out in epics, and its not like they’re practicing much for premade vs. premade by queueing into pugs. I don’t think I’ve seen groups ever approach an intro fight and say “we have 35 together, they look like pugs, lets see if we can win with 20” They blow their load and never really let off the gas.
I love hearing how premaders avoid other premades when they get another premade
ever seen gankers literally afraid to fight outside of a 3v1 or whatever
pointless like having a separate bracket for twinks. its more effective to allow queueing as premade but it puts you in comp stomp and they get a baby bib put on them or something. thats the type of game they want. nuff said
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lol people on here just trying to make little niche formats of pvp to enable their cheating ways.
just f’n stop!
que up, play the game like everyone else, stop que synching and cheating to gain every possible advantage. increase your skill so you dont have to have 39 other buddies back you up on every match. you will find the game far more enjoyable and you wont be a low-life filthy cheater
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rus & “friends” premade seems to be on non-stop for horde most mornings & afternoons in NA; once in a blue moon they play alliance. Sync q premades are on both factions pretty frequently regardless in my experience. Harder to find pug v pug epics but they still exist & are usually the most fun for both teams imho. 
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Make battlegrounds cross faction and add role balancing.
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That’s hilarious considering you used to run with large premades yourself, and you’re still a member of queue sync communities. Also, do you consider a 4-5 man group and no group sync to be a premade?
I saw you afk out before the game even started earlier today when I was on the other side with 3 others in my party, no group syncing. Why would you afk out of a largely pug vs pug epic which you consider to be fun?
I believe the premade thing is costing Blizzard players, good news it they will fix it, bad news is they can be slow to change things in the game… Its gotta go through like 20 levels of decision making approval, they vote on it to decide if they wanna bring it up for debate, then they have a hearing on it…
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And I saw you earlier this morning in a ashran with a full premade.
So can’t really blame a guy for assuming your always in full premades (which wouldn’t be an unfounded assumption).
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Why waste my time vs your sync q premaders? I gear via epics; ain’t worth my time playing vs a premade as a pug. Shrug 
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Funny that you’re talking about wasting time, because earlier you saw me on the alliance side in AV and it was just the 4 of us, you afked out before the gate opened again… You immediately swapped to your alliance toon and backfilled into same AV we were in, which we lost and got stomped by the horde.
A queue syncer like yourself complaining about queue syncing is just wild 
. What are you doing in DJL with your multiple toons if you don’t like queue syncing? Lol
Lol… I mostly pug solo and care less what u think. You always q sync m8… hard to respect that. 
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