Logged into the PTR So far we have
Divine Toll in the class tree in place of Seraphim -EXCELLENT
Swift Justice instead of Improved Judgement -EXCELLENT
Vanguards Momentum Changed you get 5 charges of Hammer Of Wrath (6 if if you use all 5 after gcd)- GOOD
Divine Protection now baseline - VERY GOOD
Suggestion: swap Empyrean Power with Swift Justice, EP is something that seems more of a inconvenience as a PVP’r just because its a whole global and it does little to no damage. Is good for PVE with the crusader changes but swaping places with allow PvP’rs to opt out and choose a better talent.
yes good, but sad to see seraphim gone
this is not going to live as is, dont get your hopes up for that one
its not baseline, divine protection is tho. again unsure if intentional or not
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True but seraphim is still on Ashes to Ashes so its not completely gone, just the on use on.
for now, the full ret rework is still incoming. there is no reason for ashes to ashes to stay
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No this is a good change seraphim was just another bloat, they’re putting it into our other abilities.
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you are aware that they made consecration stronger and have a longer cd. also made ES 30 seconds and cost 0 holy power. in the process of reducing “bloat” they just replaced seraphim for a gutted version of ES.
ill believe it when i see it
Changes aren’t even close to done relax man. The ret tree isn’t even touched.
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Ik everything is subject to change, but Jesus Christ…
Just tried this one minute cd crusade with the new VM and ZP.
Absolutely bonkers
Along with no hp cost ES… Chef’s kiss
Can’t wait to see all the changes
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But since it’s 0 HP to use, it’s a lot “easier” than Seraphim to use, making our rotation “faster” to do, as we don’t have to pool that many resources again to start our burst.
Lower ramp time is good.
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You still have ramp due to crusade dude. Nothing is “faster” because seraphim is dead. You still press FR at ten stacks of crusade
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Nope, it matters, instead of pressing Seraphim and ES for no damage, you do 2 X FV’s now.
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Does this mean divine toll now competes with sanctified wrath?
Sanctified Wrath appears to be scrapped.
Just reading patch notes now. Seems like it’s being moved to the prot tree at least. Probably the same for holy in place of divine toll?
Odd choice to move one ability used in each spec tree to the general talent tree only to put a general tree talent into the spec trees?
I’d rather it be a choice node with Divine Purpose, instead of Holy Avenger… which should get deleted. 
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Dude ES feels AMAZING in the ptr
Removing hp cost helped it big time.
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I’d rather not give up divine purpose. The procs have saved my party more times than I can count.
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Yes, i like Divine Purpose a lot as well. I’d chose it anyway in most cases.
But if i had to chose which of the abilities are gone Holy Avenger or Sanctified Wrath… i’d chose Holy Avenger to go 6 feet under in a heartbeat, last heartbeat that is.
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Ya absolutely. Would be a good talent if it was on a shorter cooldown, but it’s pointless at 3 minutes.
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So with the ES change it really promotes by proxy our mobility in a sense because the big point for us wanting mobility is the fact we cant touch things.
So with ES being free now, if lets say a mage keeps kiting us we can ES and unload 5hammers, a judgment and divine toll into them while they are kiting us. Which in itself is really good damage.
Also with Divine Protection being baseline now its cooldown lines up perfectly with our shield so we get a 150k shield and a 30% damage reduction every minute which is huge!