here is the thing. normal and heroic are a joke when it comes to mechanics. you can screw them up all day long and nothing usually happens.
remember back in vanilla and burning crusade when you were taught pretty much from day 1 to use crowd control, to los pull, to coordinate and communicate, to interrupt?
that stuff is largely gone from the base game until you get to Mythic and above, and thats quite sad.
go into literally any LFR and watch what happens. people die to mechanics but it doesn’t matter because “we killed the boss anyway”, or “we got the buff, whats the big deal”, or “you only need 2-3 people to do the mechanics, so whats it matter?”
For the record, I think this is part if blizz’s design to bring people who are at different levels together so that people can get things done that they normally wouldn’t. The rewards on an alt are just good enough for a time to do it anyway, and yeah I don’t like it a lot of the time which is why I avoid that stuff as much as possible (LFR, heroic dungeons, etc.).
Well, I’m not going to step into LFR just to tell people my opinion, but if t heres a specific topic here on the forums making such a declaration then I will. I just assumed I had missed it.
Tell that to my dead team mates. Go through my post history, I am getting now Heroic and previously NORMAL team in dungeons who cannot even handle the mechanics without failing.
except they aren’t getting anything done.
the raiders handle the mechanics and do the bulk of the work and the LFR crowd, largely gets carried and contributes what they can. that isn’t contributing. i’ve literally seen LFR groups where 5 raiders on alts actively carrried the group and contributed 80% of the dps and heals while everyone else died.
and that just goes to show you how far the player base has fallen off.
I was referring to the boss eventually dying, which does happen at some point in LFR. Probably the only thing some people care about, so yes it gets done even if people are lazy and don’t contribute.
the point being - LFR was a chance to introduce people to basic raiding (and heck even dungeon) concepts, such as communication and mechanics; but it decided to let the raiders handle that.
which is why i would be in favor of reworking LFR. make the dps not matter. as a matter of a fact, make it so damage does nothing to the boss. the goal is engage in mechanics. each person who successfully completes a mechanic shaves off 1% of the boss health.
Back in MoP I kid you not I done Salyis’s Warband when it was live and one of the bosses to kill, a Blood DK and I basically solo’d the thing. We had over 80% of the DPS and heals between us, just 2 of us, that was with a 40 man raid group.
I used to go into LFR back than and not only get 2-3 times the heals as everyone else, but I would also get top 10 DPS.
We need reward for effort, I am about to give up on this carrying thing and have at times on both my healer and tank let people die because they just don’t bother to put any effort in.
Well, it is an MMO so people do have a lot of control over how group stuff works. Just like I don’t want M dungeons or M+ to have a queue, on the other side if LFR people wanna slack off and wipe until it’s super easy I guess they should have that choice. It’s their difficulty.
The issue is that the rewards should be avoidable so that people don’t go in and carry.
which is why i would make dps not matter in LFR. make the bosses immune to damage. make the mechanics matter though.
lets take a fight everyone knows for example → maiden from tomb.
did you correctly swap sides? good. boss loses some health.
did you pick up the right orbs for your side? good. boss loses some health.
did you jump in the pit with your bomb? good. boss loses some health.
Than no one would get anything done. Players go into LFR with the mindset of not caring and knowing they can do nothing and still pass.
I have known players over the years who actively go into LFR with that mindset. Imagine a player now pulling 15-16K DPS in Uldir going into LFr and pulling 4K. i have seen it, they were players from my guild, and when I questioned them why basically said it was not worth the effort, they knew others would carry them.
EDIT: …Hang on if the DPS means nothing that means DPS would literally do nothing until the mechanics take place, so they would just stand there while the tanks and healers keep everyone alive just so they can do a mechanics check?
Nah, they need both, mechanics and DPS, make it so the mechanics enable DPS to hurt the boss, than make the DPS do their job and kill the boss.
Think of the second boss in Freehold, you need to do something before the fight or never pass it, but the DPS still has to kill it.
Make it so each successful mechanic debuffs the boss more and more until it dies, the more mechanics that are done the easier it is to kill, and give a limit to each person so there is not 5 players doing all mechanics, but 1 person does 5 mechanics with diminishing returns and that is it, they are done.
That is 5 people do 5 mechanics and the boss can be killed, or 18 mechanics, one from each DPS and the boss dies faster, therefore if 18 DPS do 2 mechanics each the boss can easily be killed with no issues.
Or hell, make a boss that limits how much DPS each person can do, mythic raid geared or heroic dungeon geared, they can all only do X number of DPS and if players don’t hit enough than the DPS checks will fail and you all die.
Make it mathematically impossible for LFR to be carried.
Actually this is basically what G’huun is, if the DPS or in some cases healers don’t do the mechanics it is game over, but extend it so a certain number of DPS must do the mechanics not just the same 3 people, it may work.
which is the problem with teh game today. people have gotten into this lazy mindset. and the game should break that.
which is why i am so so so happy classic is coming back.
Pretty common actually lol. People don’t care to do mechs in lfg/lfr stuff. Hince the “I don’t pay $15 to do Mechanics” lol
People might have that attitude, but I’ve never heard someone actually make that claim out loud.
It’s more of a funny term to discribe the people. Don’t take it literal lol
Oh you don’t need them to make that claim, just go into LFG and do half your job, you will see people sit there like trees and die and not care.
/sigh I am not picking a fight or arguing. I was adding to what I said previously because usually the demanding people who throw around their $15 a month make some dramatic and usually illogical thread here on the forums, which I thought I should address if it existed.
have you done any challenging content or do you just post about how easy the game is on the forums?
cuz it looks like u haven’t
at all