PSA: Creatures now scale with item level #2

05/21/2017 12:01 AMPosted by Dyliveranz
05/19/2017 06:53 PMPosted by Gigabear
Not withstanding that many players don't like twitter in the first place, the dev account has tweeted just 4 times this week against hundreds of questions.

It should be closer to a minimum of 20. Plenty of good questions asked. If they aren't going to use the account, probably time to delete it.

Four times in a week these guys have tweeted? Yet, CM Lore can manage to tweet every 20 secs to a minute plus stream his playing on twitch.

With just 4 tweets in a week while lots of questions are being asked seems to indicate they have no intention on communicating with the players even when players use twitter as suggested instead of the forums.


Lets face it outside of our wallets we the players are just an inconvenience to Blizzard these days.

The only players they want are the ones that blindly accept what Bliz hands them and ask for more.

If Blizzard is not very careful those are the only players that will be left and I rather think the numbers will not be all that high. I know VERY few people who have no issues with anything the devs do.
05/21/2017 10:31 PMPosted by Sabyrr
05/21/2017 12:01 AMPosted by Dyliveranz
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Four times in a week these guys have tweeted? Yet, CM Lore can manage to tweet every 20 secs to a minute plus stream his playing on twitch.

With just 4 tweets in a week while lots of questions are being asked seems to indicate they have no intention on communicating with the players even when players use twitter as suggested instead of the forums.


Lets face it outside of our wallets we the players are just an inconvenience to Blizzard these days.

The only players they want are the ones that blindly accept what Bliz hands them and ask for more.

If Blizzard is not very careful those are the only players that will be left and I rather think the numbers will not be all that high. I know VERY few people who have no issues with anything the devs do.


I agree. To Blizzard, we are keyboards with money and are in inconvenience when the keyboard is exercised to voice complaints. There is no argument that Blizzard only wants "yes" players in the ranks to nod and fist bump every change, even the horrendously awful ones.

I have one friend who is one of those "yes" players when it comes to the changes the devs have made --- until mob item level scaling. Then, he changed his tune. When he saw the mobs remaining scaled after the mini-holiday events, he really got mad. He is now seeing what the possibilities are for abuse of this "feature" and doesn't like it one bit. He's the only one I knew who approved of every change devs made until the mob ilvl scaling.

At this point, there are more low pop realms showing up in the realm lists than medium, high or full. And, with census plus, I only recorded 849 horde players on the realm I am on the other day. That is very low compared to what it was even in MoP. So, yes, I also think that all that will be left is the "yes" players if the devs continue taking the path they are moving the game down. And, I think that is their target audience these days along with those who request "fluff" changes to the game that do not interfere with their "vision." Veteran players (those who have played for years through all expansions) are almost considered a liability especially when those players are very knowledgeable about classes, specs, and basic game play concepts.
Just checking to see where things stand. It is obviously unchanged since Blizzard remains silent.
Yea they just want this thread to die and get buried in the depths of GD. My sub is up at the end of the month Between this, boring 7.2 content, wow token prices going up I am going to just play a different game.
I just returned after many months, to discover this.

After reading through this thread I see a familiar pattern. This is their MO for pushing through something that will only benefit them and they suspect will be unpopular. First they spin it with some flimsy excuse trying to make us believe it is for our benefit. Then they "are listening" (Blizzspeak for la la la). Followed by silence as they watch the true believers and trolls do their work.

I am already seeing scaled mobs in Draenor and I can see this insidiously creeping into all zones. I do not trust these developers with this knob they now have at their disposal to turn up at will.

Unfortunately this is set in stone and there is nothing you or I can do about it. My response is to unsub but I doubt there are enough people doing so to make any difference to them.
05/24/2017 09:37 AMPosted by Dyliveranz
Just checking to see where things stand. It is obviously unchanged since Blizzard remains silent.
Beat me to it:-)
I was "trying" to do word quest earlier, and 2 of them were made SIGNIFICANTLY more frustrating due to actual design issues which need to be addressed.

The first was a faction tapping quest objective boss, which is probably a bug anyway, but highlights the issues caused by any situation which results in grey mobs during legitimate play.

The second was caused by an incredible lack of mob spawns of which you need 10 to complete. This was once again compounded by faction tapping.

Those are legitimate issues causing me problems right now on live Blizz. People with high ilvls never did.

I suppose I could bug report the first and "suggest" the second, but when they ignore the overwhelming feedback against this change and plow ahead anyway, it seems I'd be wasting my time.
Isn't the whole point of RPG's to level up and get stronger? Since when do mobs lvl up with us. I have no problem soloing any of the Legion world content, but I believe I've earned the right to 1 shot certain things after upgrading.

It's really one of the aspects I enjoy most from RPGS (character progression), and feel free to disagree, but it's why RPGs are my favorite genre of games. I def don't play rpg's for mob progression. If I want more of a challenge in other zones/mythics I have that option. Tuning the regular world mobs takes the fun out of progression to me.

As if gearing up with the ' RNG ' that isnt really random wasn't daunting enough. Calling it Random is sugar-coating. It's more akin to Casino gambling where the odds are against the player by at least 8:1.

You are a character interacting with a world. Worlds are supposed to be static in a sense, otherwise whats the point of interaction between character and environment? Sure, environments can change due to lore etc. , but mobs leveling up as you do, that takes a lot of fun out of the game for me.
05/25/2017 10:33 AMPosted by Reapz
Isn't the whole point of RPG's to level up and get stronger? Since when do mobs lvl up with us.


Ever played an Elder Scrolls game?
Blizzard's lack of professionalism on this issue is disgusting and intolerable. Too bad we can't have some real customer service.

Twelve years of consistent loyalty is being flushed away by poor management.

Save me!!!
05/26/2017 08:09 AMPosted by Billshat
Blizzard's lack of professionalism on this issue is disgusting and intolerable.


I'm making a neckbeard meme using that. Keep an eye on reddit!
I disagree with this design in principle, but the actual numbers turned out to be unnoticeable. Not worth complaining about unless they scale it too high again.
05/26/2017 08:13 AMPosted by Dagher
I disagree with this design in principle, but the actual numbers turned out to be unnoticeable. Not worth complaining about unless they scale it too high again.


You're DPS. Try dealing with it on a healer.
I feel the need to make this analogy.

I've hunted, IRL.
Let's say it's bear season and I'm out with my trusty Remington .375. Finally I sight a bear; big male, legal game.

HOWEVER...

On my second thoughts, I swap out for a Mannlicher .453, a much more powerful weapon.
Now then...
Does ol' Yogi get bigger, more powerful and longer fangs and claws? No, of course not.

''But OH..'' says you. ''That's REAL LIFE and this is just a game.''

Ok, fair enough. From reality to fantasy we go...

In the Mines of Moria, the Fellowship is being attacked! A scrubby little goblin goes for Pippin!

HOWEVER...

Aragorn steps in huzzah!
Now then...
Does the lil' gobbie suddenly turn into an Uruk-Hai?
Nope.
It gets easily wasted by the great Ranger, who moves on.

Fact or fiction, RL or fantasy; item level scaling just plain old does not fit and is a bad idea.

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Still waiting for this MASSIVE thread to be addressed. Space goat seems to think that this is a dead issue.
Teagoat isn't going to be able to respond if there's nothing new to add. It's either got to be Watcher himself or Watcher giving Teagoat info to pass to us. Without one or the other, there won't be any blue posts.

Remember, Teagoat's the messenger. Not much he can do without a message to deliver.
05/30/2017 04:01 AMPosted by Tiapriestess
Teagoat isn't going to be able to respond if there's nothing new to add. It's either got to be Watcher himself or Watcher giving Teagoat info to pass to us. Without one or the other, there won't be any blue posts.

Remember, Teagoat's the messenger. Not much he can do without a message to deliver.


Let's face it they are just hoping this thread dies. If the few of us left leave it is no skin off their noses. They have dug in their heels and are not going to back down.

It is the new Blizzard MO. Do something people hate. When the forums explode extend the thread. Then ignore it until it dies.

I hate it but that is how it is anymore. They don't make games for the players anymore they make games for themselves.
05/30/2017 10:00 PMPosted by Sabyrr
05/30/2017 04:01 AMPosted by Tiapriestess
Teagoat isn't going to be able to respond if there's nothing new to add. It's either got to be Watcher himself or Watcher giving Teagoat info to pass to us. Without one or the other, there won't be any blue posts.

Remember, Teagoat's the messenger. Not much he can do without a message to deliver.


Let's face it they are just hoping this thread dies. If the few of us left leave it is no skin off their noses. They have dug in their heels and are not going to back down.

It is the new Blizzard MO. Do something people hate. When the forums explode extend the thread. Then ignore it until it dies.

I hate it but that is how it is anymore. They don't make games for the players anymore they make games for themselves.


Pretty much.

I'd love to say I had the discipline to stop playing, but i began alting. So I'm not voting with my dollars/played. Unfortunate.

Legion's great in a lot of ways but the legendary system and ilvl scaling are absolutely terrible.
05/30/2017 10:00 PMPosted by Sabyrr
05/30/2017 04:01 AMPosted by Tiapriestess
Teagoat isn't going to be able to respond if there's nothing new to add. It's either got to be Watcher himself or Watcher giving Teagoat info to pass to us. Without one or the other, there won't be any blue posts.

Remember, Teagoat's the messenger. Not much he can do without a message to deliver.


Let's face it they are just hoping this thread dies. If the few of us left leave it is no skin off their noses. They have dug in their heels and are not going to back down.

It is the new Blizzard MO. Do something people hate. When the forums explode extend the thread. Then ignore it until it dies.

I hate it but that is how it is anymore. They don't make games for the players anymore they make games for themselves.

Absolutely spot on! Whatever these devs do is inline with their extended vision of this game regardless of whether it is good or bad. They use the time old tested method of "ignore complaints until they go away" to deal with the fallout. And, not enough players leave to make a dent in the blizzard wallet. And the ones that do are the ones Blizzard wants to leave the game since those players are mostly veterans with extensive knowledge and expertise regarding classes, specs and the game in general, those who are not "yes men," and those whose playstyle are not going to be supported in the future.

If they are truly making the game the way they want and a game they want to play, then these devs, Ion and his minion are very shallow, narrow-minded, and mindless. What is engaging about kill X times 15, kill X, gather Y times 20, follow the squares to make a pattern times X, multiple "facebook" type games, gather herbs and ore times thousands to engage RNG to find a "possible" additional rank in gathering, and the partridge in a pear tree of other "engaging" world content? What is "fun" about gating content behind time? And, what is fun about earning faction rep to then have to earn additional rep for an RNG chance at a mount?

There is such a thing as appropriate reward for effort. That goes out the window when RNG is added on top of RNG. What one person may get after 10 times, another person may not get after 100 or more times of doing the same activity. Then, when mob ilvls increase as a player gears, it then places another hurdle for players to overcome which then breaks down into being disparaging to some classes/specs more than others. If these devs, Ion and his minion find this fun, they need to seriously evaluate their definition of fun and then get out and have some in the real world.

While mob ilvl scaling may be "tuned" down, which can be debatable since it is inconsistent across zones and mobs within zones, it won't stay that way since that "knob" will provide continual temptation for Blizzard to turn it whenever they see fit. This issue is the same as CRZ, camera zoom, camera field of view, flight, and the continual revamping of classes/specs, and all the other issues players have expressed their dissatisfaction. It falls upon deaf ears while these devs, Ion and his minion give players the middle finger and robotically repeat, "suck it up, buttercup -- you scrub you."
05/30/2017 10:00 PMPosted by Sabyrr
05/30/2017 04:01 AMPosted by Tiapriestess
Teagoat isn't going to be able to respond if there's nothing new to add. It's either got to be Watcher himself or Watcher giving Teagoat info to pass to us. Without one or the other, there won't be any blue posts.

Remember, Teagoat's the messenger. Not much he can do without a message to deliver.


Let's face it they are just hoping this thread dies. If the few of us left leave it is no skin off their noses. They have dug in their heels and are not going to back down.

It is the new Blizzard MO. Do something people hate. When the forums explode extend the thread. Then ignore it until it dies.

I hate it but that is how it is anymore. They don't make games for the players anymore they make games for themselves.
Nailed it. +1