PSA: Consumables

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You mean the bots? There is already a glut of materials on high pop realms. Its the reason why death blossom sells for around 1g.

Consumables are region-wide too. Crafts (armors, weapons, etc.) are not.

Again, med/low pop realms are not going to introduce a massive population of players that were on the fence about consumables, but all of sudden will start buying.

So all of those consumers are joining a global market as are their suppliers (gatherers).

If you really wanted to see what happens, go on undermine journal and look at all of the high pop realms. You will see that their numbers are all very similar. I would expect that you will see the “global” market essentially trend to those values.

For reference, those values tend to be the “floor” set by either vendoring gathering materials outright, or whatever fotm shuffle exists that blizzard hasn’t nerfed.

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The “race to the bottom” already occurred on full pop realms, the bottom is simple the min someone will do the work for. Theres not going to be q sudden, massive influx of new people willing to work for LESS which would push the price down.

Instead you will have the people who farm on low pop/med pop servers having to compete with high/full pop servers who will work for far less, to the point where a bunch simply wont bother anymore. Even if they all continued to work the median cost of materials is going UP. Not down.

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Except bots will always bother. Free gold is free gold to them.

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More likely desperate or unconcerned about gold than unsuspecting. The guy who is chasing the “unsuspecting” purchaser is the one who has posted an item that others are posting at 300g, but his is 6000g. He’s hoping somebody buys all of them, including his, without noticing that his is at a much higher price.

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Bots are the only winner from this.

Bots will infest the low pop servers to generate gold they can sell for real money via bmah communities or otherwise, and bots will infest markets to bring overall cost of goods up viq the 1 item 50% off macro bots.

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I think all the complaining about the insane cost of legendaries when an hour or two doing herbing / mining would fix this problem means that yes, there are players who outright refused to use consumables due to their price.

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Well the herbing and mining was to offset consumables.

Legendaries had their own little fiasco going on.

Still though - unless 1 or 2 players held a monopoly, it was still approaching crafting cost. Some of those realms with 200k+ legendaries, also had korthite crystals selling for 5k a piece, or progenitor essentia selling for 20k. So you could go farm those and sell.

Same idea, just much much higher numbers.

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how are bots winners if i buy 2 stacks of First Flower for cheap and make the potions
ill make my gold back and some more.

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That doesn’t make any sense.

Not really. And it’s less limited when the AH goes from 1,000 herbs up to 100,000 herbs.

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Because now you can post bots on servers with low populations where the price of gold is higher, and still make insane amounts.

So all the people selling bmah goods for real money or selling gold on those servers can now operate there without having to transfer gold from high pop areas where the market is more favorable to the scale.

Likewise the 1 item 50% mqcro bots that list 1 item at 50% of the MV every 20 seconds to buy all the low effort sellers mats, then list it all bqck at a 30% premium can now easily operate a single account instead of one per server… so their profit is much higher with the same effort and low risk (since blizz bans ah bots every 6 months or longer it seems).

People think that all bots do is farm materials but theres a lot more that a bot can control. Most servers that had artificially inflated leggos had bots running them, constantly cancel scanning day and night so it was very hard for a real player to compete.

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Prices aren’t going to go up that much. They will. But not nearly as much as I would love it to

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You are thinking linearly.

You need to think scale.

So if supply of… say ore, on one high pop server is approx 250k at any given time, with a total of 600k supplied in total per day (350k sold, 600k listed, 250k avaliable at any given time)

Now that market absorbs another market which is 1 million ore supplied, 550k sold, 450k avaliable at any given time, the price of the ore OVERALL will drop, the supply exceeds the demqnd by a larger ratio, therefor there is downward pressure on ore sellers… if they want their ore to sell into a saturated market they incentivize customers by lowering their price and hoping it sells before other peoples product.

If the first server absorbs a market that is only 80k avaliable at any given time, with 130k added daily and 130k sold then the sellers on the main server can start asking for more money, since the buy side pressure exceeds supply which drives prices up until buyers dont buy because its not worth the offered price.

The numbers themselves are largely irrelevant. It could be 2 ore, or 2 billion ore, if the supply exceeds demand the price falls, if the demand exceeds the supply the price rises.

We are getting region wide ah for materials and consumables. BECAUSE THEY ARE “TOO HIGH PRICED” ON MED AND LOW POP SERVERS.

So, it is almost impossible to say that the prices will go down, since the DEMAND from all the low and mid pop servers exceeds supply to the point where mats are obscenely expensive. When the high/full pop servers supply hits that demand… the price seen on the high/full pop servers will thus RISE to meet demand, it will not FALL as DEMAND for the goods goes UP. That makes no sense.

The ratio is all that matters, the numbers are largely irrelevant. Scale. Thats how it works.

I genuinely am blown away at how many people dont understand this stuff.

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No, I’m thinking about how economics works.

No. It doesn’t. They’re low pop servers. Let’s use some logic here.

We’re pretty blown away by the fact that you can’t seem to understand how this works, either. :woman_shrugging:

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So what they are low pop srrvers.

If the cost of a material is 4x the cost on illidan, and all the high/full pop servers are the same, and qll the low/mid pop servers are the same… and low/mid pop IN TOTAL are responsible for 30% of the market, that is STILL a significant increase in demand over baseline.

There is no “economic system” that could be used to reach the conclusion that an increase in demand results in a decrease in the price for a limited supply market.

We are in the middle of an inflationary market, where supply is limited and costs are skyrocketing and you are sitting here on wow saying “nuh uh, prices go down when demand goes up”

Just lol.

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… low pop means low population. I’m not sure how you don’t understand that.

What increase in demand? And where is there suddenly a decrease in mats?

You’re making stuff up that doesn’t make sense.

No. It isn’t.

My thoughts exactly. Have a good day.

Edit because I see the typing incoming: I’m not even reading any more of this stuff.

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Saltwater Potions for PVE dungeons and Raids when???

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Oh my god.

The supply is limited because its not infinite.

Dude. Go learn basic econimics, this is ridiculous.

Buying goods from a vendor is infinite supply. You can buy endless items from the vendor if you have endless gold.

You cqn not do that with stuff in the AH, there is an average that is supplied to the market each day, it can fluxuate, but its limited in that at any given point a person could buy 100% of the market and there would be no more materials (until eventually someone listed some).

The demand on low pop servers is high since there’s not much supply, which means cost of mats is high.

So when you merge that market with the market where cost of materials is low because there is high supply, there is a disparity that gets filled higher. Average price goes UP not DOWN.

its irrelevant if its a low pop server or not, if the price is 60% higher and that market is only 30% in size of the full pop server, the AVERAGE PRICE still goes UP 18%. How are you struggling with this?

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If you just visited the TSM site, searched for a high selling consumable or two, and compared your server to the region.

Wouldn’t you more or less know if prices or going up or down for your server?

I looked at Death Blossom for example. My server price is 5g35s vs 4g72s for the region. I would assume this specific herb will go down in price come season 4. Its not by any means 100% accurate but should give you a rough idea and takes a minute.

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But now bots will be incentivized to run more on low pop realms since they can make the same gold gathering/selling on any realm.
The supply/demand will not change much at all with the merging.
We are also at the end of an expansion and with a new season starting people have been stockpiling like the OP.
Within days the bots and stockpilers will flood the now regionwide AH goods and prices will be at all new lows.
The people who kept the prices higher, goblins/flippers/crafters, won’t have the power to do so and it’s going to be far less likely prices will correct themselves whenever they dip like they do right now.

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Why would they go up XD
It’s region wide… if anything they’ll go WAY down.

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