True but its the patch if it was like it was at this point , they would not be god mode . Warriors will be ok in dragon soul gear , I think bears turn into gods there only one that solo tank first boss . Did not see any DKs in dragon soul so not sure if they can .
??? Warriors were popular because they were playable in every tier. BDK’s received absolutely insane buffs in 4.3. Warriors were nerfed around being in t13 gear. So they will not catch up to a playable level until full t13… you know, when the game is over?
Just wait till we get to MoP, warrior is the worst tank again, tuned around being in SoO gear, while monks, dks, and palas will stack crit and solo tank bosses using defensives (their own and those of their raid members) to keep a DR up the entire fight and do more dps than their entire raid group.
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Another reason on the list of why MoP is a complete joke that doesn’t deserve even 0.1% of the nostalgia it gets from the weebs here.
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They’re so excited, and then they’ll do bgs and meet mop second wind warriors and hate that and the raids too.
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second wind was beyond broken AF. one of the worst offenders ever for pvp balance from any expac.
there’s also deep wounds being the strongest dot by 15x more than any other dot, bladestorm, burst of speed, dematerialize, shuriken toss, touch of karma, chaos bolt w/ sac, enhancement shaman globaling with ascendance from 40 yards away, stampede, hunters in general… like the list is endless and ppl really praise mop as being “balanced” lmaooo it’s the most unbalanced expac for PvP ever made!
Don’t worry. It’s going to be even worse than you can possibly imagine.
Let me share with you the great truth. Blizzard is stupid, and they will forget that in MoP they added passive resil to all players. The amount was increased with each season. In the last season the base resilience reduces damage dealt to players by 72%. (Up from 65% from the previous.) So now, imagine MoP second wind warrior but you have 0 pvp power to cut through that reduction. Literally unkillable.
Your first item with pvp power btw is the conquest weapon. (:
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If you’re taking 70-90% of your health every time you get hit, either you’re half-naked or the only thing you tank is Decimation Blade from Baleroc.
I actually raid with a prot warrior tank, and it’s fine. The complaints are overblown, based almost entirely on sims and ‘5% difference is unplayable’ type whining.
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I’m in a guild and having a grand time as a prot warrior. Biggest problem for prot warriors trying to pug is public perception.
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it sucks i feel your pain. Blizz doesnt care about under preforming classes. Keep making posts tho I hope blizzard addresses this issue like they did for ele shamans. But who knows they still havent addressed Feral dps.
The real issue is the Blood tanks are just way too good. With gearing for +haste they are the best tank in the game by a mile. Bears only have usefulness on fights where you need to temp tank and can dps the majority of the fight.
If you like hard/enganging/proc reliant DPS classes. Arms is a high skill set lots of fun if played well. You can be topping charts in FL or bottoming them. Very high skill dependent try a free rotation help aura weak aura to start if it interests. They do very well on rag/most these fights were you need a lot of instant damage/traveling on adds. leap charge intervene makes it a lot of fun. I too wish i could tank still cheers.
-if you didnt see some guy wore a full cloth set on his dk and 13/13H np all T11 content. This imbalance has been complained about often by many, and blizzard likes to skip to the last patches balances which is completely different metas/more imbalanced than ever.
You do understand that Feral DPS and Feral Tank are 2 completely different builds right?
Feral DPS is not Def capped as they dont take the 3/3 Thick hide. So there for they can not tank riad bosses and dps in the same fight.
But please keep speaking on things you clearly have no clue about.
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it still takes the majority of the talents needed to function as dps. Oh no, it’s slightly less optimal as a dps, it can still offtank just fine for however long for taunt swaps and then go back to dpsing. They did this for all of wrath.
Try doing it as a warrior, all your survivability comes from mastery and avoid stats that you won’t have. You’ll also get one shot through shield wall.
The fact is, feral can, and is, filling both an offtank and dps role on most fights, it’s why they’re the defacto best offtank.
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Feral Tank and Feral DPS Require
2 completely different builds
2 completely Different gear sets
2 Completely Different Glyph setups
Again you are speaking on something you have no clue about
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They aren’t completely different builds, they use the literal same gear and swap gems/enchants. How about you stop lying my guy. If it wasn’t as good as it is it wouldn’t be abused to the extent it is. You’re a moron.
The talents are 90% the same, the gear is literally EXACT SAME EXCEPT GEMS/ENCHANTS. This isn’t even true either, you can actually 100% OT in full feral dps setup+gems/enchants/trinkets, I’m looking at the feral guides right now.
Pretending that somehow you are losing 100% effectiveness as a dps just because you’re specced/gemmed/enchanted for tanking is so incredibly braindead disingenuous it’s unreal.
YOU DON’T EVEN USE DIFFERENT TIER PIECES
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No they are not!!! The Real Spec difference is actually 9 different talents per spec and 9/41 = 21.95 Which is actually 78.05% that is not 90%
They are completely different builds
Feral Tank is a 0/32/9 build specing into
**3/3 Thick Hide ** ( Def CAP)
2/2 Natural Reaction (reduces damage taken by 18% and increases Dodge by 6%)
**1/1 Pulverize **
3/3 Perserverance (reduces Spell Damage taken by 6%)
Feral DPS is a 0/35/6 Build Specing into
**2/2 predatory strikes **
**2/2 Brutal Impact **
**1/2 Nurturing instinct **
2/2 Primal Madness
Right there is why they have 2 completly different gear sets!!!
1 set is gemmed and enchanted for Tanking
1 Set is gemmed and enchanted For DPS!!!
Alright well lets look at the sim data Full BIS T12 feral dps is expected to do 44427.03 ( in patchwerk fight)
Now lets put all Tank gems and enchants there and see what the damage is 19178.88
That is a DRASTIC Difference in DPS That is actually a 79.38% DPS LOSS
You can do the math yourself if you would like.
44427.03 - 19178.88 = 25248.15
44427.03+19178.88 = 63605.91
63605.91 / 2= 31802.95
25248.15/31802.955 = 0.7938
0.7938 x 100 = 79.38% DPS LOSS
Again sit down you dont know what you are talking about and keep proving it every time you say something.
EDIT
Sims where done in Feral DPS Build Same spec/Glyphs Just changed the gems and enchants.
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The OT feral build is the same 0/35/6 as feral dps, you give up 1 nurturing, 2 brutal impact, and 2 primal madness, you do not give up predatory strikes.
The gear is literally identical, I’m looking at the guide right now, for a feral ot you even use the same trinkets gems and enchants.
Stop lying buddy. You make your case worse.
Just because YOU can’t read your guide and are specced feral MT as an offtank feral isn’t my personal issue to solve.
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Do you not see the counterdiction you made there?
Here let me help you.
You said this then. You counterdicted yourself when you said this
It might be the same gear but its not enchanted and gemmed the same!!! You run 2 completely different sets of gear 1 for tanking 1 for DPS. You just cant seem to understand basic common sense!!!
You don’t even play the class so stop speaking on something you have no experience playing.
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The sim you’re using sits in bear form the entire fight doing nothing. Your sim is worthless. JFC I hate you so much. You literally are garbage, you lie, and you can’t read. Quit wasting EVERYONE’s time, with your worthless posts.
It does 10k dps because it’s in bear form at the OT with no vengeance.
You can’t even follow YOUR OWN CLASS GUIDES, what is the point of your existence, at the end of all of this, at the end of your life you will have to justify this.
You made me, waste my time, to open YOUR CLASS SIM, AND TELL YOU HOW IT WORKS, BECAUSE YOU COULDN’T SPEND 2 SECONDS OPENING THE RESULTS TAB YOUR SELF TO SEE WHAT IT CAST.
I hope, genuinely with all my heart, they find a bug that’s causing feral to overperform and you get nerfed.
And again, your class guide on wowhead, uses the literal exact same gear, down to the gems and enchants (minus his bracers being a different random roll resulting in slightly different reforges) on both feral dps and feral ot tank. Please, go read your own posted class guides, before you tell me anything else. Because I strongly suspect you need the help.
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Enjoy your Vacation!!!
I think you really need to relax your very angry and irate maybe the vacation from the fourms are what you need.
So many ToS Violations enjoy your vacation.
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