Prot Warrior buffs vs Prot paladin

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What are you thoughts after these updates ?

Warrior :point_down:

Protection

  • Melee attack and all ability damage increased by 30%.
  • Revenge damage increased by 25%.
  • Execute damage increased by 50%.
  • Devastator damage increased by 25%.
  • Shield Charge primary target damage increased by 25%.
  • Ravager damage increased by 25%.
  • Defensive Stance reduces damage taken by 16% (was 20%).
  • Fight Through the Flames causes Defensive Stance to reduce magic damage you take by 6% (was 5%)
  • Defender’s Aegis reduces Shield Wall’s cooldown by 60 seconds (was 30 seconds).

Do I need to level a prot warrior now ?

Just got back after 6 months and leveled my prot Paladin.

How heavy are the nerfs.

I pug a lot so Paladin was the safest best but with the magic damage reduction on warrior now. What do you think ?

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If you’re casual, roll what’s most comfortable to tank with. None of us should have any issues up to the max vault reward anyway. If you’re serious, VDH is ----> that way.

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What is casual ? I am just not caught up.

I have all the keystone achieves in the past.

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If you’re just chasing ksm/ksh, you can do that casually. You’re good on pally.

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Magic damage reduction isn’t really a buff, just balancing something we were already bad at.

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This expansion I would like to try and get into more raiding atleast 1 mythic.

I only do keys, keys and keys. That is what burnt me out last few season ago.

Would prot still be viable. I know prot paladin scales better deep into the season.

And my main concern is pugs. Prot warrior is heavy on pugs due to lack of utility but this magic damage buff is looking interesting.

Another concern of mine is due to IRL I cannot play 2 heroes.

Not sure how to approach this. Probably have to watch for some guides on these new updates.

I was really looking forwards to Paladin

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I might finish lvling my warrior. I thought it was pretty slow to kill stuff as prot

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I got KSH (ended with 2.7kio rating) for s3 of DF when prot warr was considered an “undesirable” tank.

Imo, prot warr is super fun to play, just something about it calls to me. I would say my only complaint is that they can be too healer reliant. Since they only have one self-heal on a 25sec CD, if you mess up your rotation, you’re at the mercy of your healer.

That being said, prot warr is totally viable in all content. One thing I have noticed tho, whenever I pull my healer out, is that you either get really good or really bad prot warriors. There doesn’t seem to be an in-between. I’ve had people tell me outright that they were nervous accepting a prot warr into their key group but ended up pleasantly surprised (mind you, these were +20s). Does it lack utility compared to other tanks? Sure, but I think with the upcoming changes to m+ it shouldn’t be too much of an issue.

I can’t say much for prot pally as I don’t enjoy playing it, but I know it has a lot of group utility.

Edit: a word

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Ran a quick chat got analysis. Will dig deeper once I get home.

If anyone is interested

Analysis of Buffs and Nerfs for Protection Paladin and Protection Warrior

Protection Paladin

Buffs:

  1. Ability Damage Increase: All ability damage increased by 15%.
  2. Word of Glory: Healing increased by up to 300% based on missing health (previously 250%).
  3. Bulwark of Order: Shields you for 60% of your Avenger’s Shield damage (previously 50%).

Nerfs:

  1. Mastery: Divine Bulwark: The damage reduction effect while standing in Consecrate reduced by 20%.
  2. Improved Holy Shield: Chance to block spells reduced to 8% (previously 10%).
  3. Sentinel: Duration reduced to 16 seconds (previously 20 seconds).
  4. Eye of Tyr: Duration reduced to 6 seconds (previously 9 seconds).
  5. Righteous Protector: Holy Power abilities reduce cooldowns by 1.5 seconds (previously 2 seconds).

Summary: Protection Paladin received significant buffs in terms of damage output and healing capabilities, especially with the increased healing of Word of Glory based on missing health. However, these buffs are countered by several nerfs to defensive and utility abilities, reducing the duration and effectiveness of various cooldowns and spell block chances.

Protection Warrior

Buffs:

  1. Melee Attack and Ability Damage: Increased by 30%.
  2. Revenge: Damage increased by 25%.
  3. Execute: Damage increased by 50%.
  4. Devastator: Damage increased by 25%.
  5. Shield Charge: Primary target damage increased by 25%.
  6. Ravager: Damage increased by 25%.
  7. Fight Through the Flames: Defensive Stance now reduces magic damage by 6% (previously 5%).
  8. Impenetrable Wall: Shield Slam generates an additional 4 Rage (previously 3 Rage) and reduces the remaining cooldown of Shield Wall by 6 seconds (previously 5 seconds).
  9. Defender’s Aegis: Reduces Shield Wall’s cooldown by 60 seconds (previously 30 seconds).

Nerfs:

  1. Defensive Stance: Reduces damage taken by 16% (previously 20%).
  2. Into the Fray: Increases Haste up to 8% (previously 10%).
  3. Punish: Reduces damage enemies deal to you by 2% (previously 3%).
  4. Enduring Alacrity: Increases Stamina and Armor by 8% (previously 10%).
  5. Indomitable: Increases maximum health by 6% (previously 10%) and heals for 1% of your maximum health per 20 Rage spent (previously 10 Rage).
  6. Disrupting Shout: Cooldown increased to 90 seconds (previously 75 seconds).
  7. Impending Victory: Heals for 20% of maximum health (previously 30%).

Summary: Protection Warrior received substantial buffs to damage output across multiple abilities, significantly enhancing their offensive capabilities. Several defensive and healing mechanics were nerfed, including reduced effectiveness of Defensive Stance, health increases, and healing from abilities like Impending Victory. However, the cooldown reductions and increased Rage generation on key abilities provide more frequent access to defensive tools.

Overall Comparison

  • Damage Output: Both classes received buffs to their damage output. Protection Paladin’s ability damage increased by 15%, while Protection Warrior saw even higher increases across various abilities (up to 50% for Execute).
  • Defensive Capabilities: Protection Paladin saw reductions in spell block chances and duration of defensive abilities, while Protection Warrior’s defensive stance effectiveness and health increase mechanics were nerfed.
  • Healing: Protection Paladin’s healing received significant buffs, especially with Word of Glory’s increased healing based on missing health. Protection Warrior’s healing abilities like Indomitable and Impending Victory were nerfed.
  • Cooldown Management: Both classes experienced changes to cooldowns. Protection Paladin’s Righteous Protector now reduces cooldowns less effectively, while Protection Warrior’s cooldowns for defensive abilities like Shield Wall were significantly reduced.

Conclusion: Both Protection Paladin and Protection Warrior received a mixture of buffs and nerfs, enhancing their offensive capabilities while adjusting their defensive mechanics. Protection Paladins have improved healing, whereas Protection Warriors enjoy higher damage output and more frequent access to defensive cooldowns. Each class’s playstyle will be impacted differently based on these changes, with Paladins focusing more on healing and Warriors on sustained damage and cooldown management.

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Yes, optimal? Probably not.