No I won’t elaborate, prot just has too many buttons and it doesn’t feel good.
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Please stop.
You don’t need to, we can read between the lines
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I was a lot happier after taking Devastator, I just hope it doesn’t eventually go the way of Annihilator…
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No.
Even with Devastator and an MMO mouse I still have way too many buttons to keep track of.
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No, it doesn’t. 
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Check out BM Hunter.
All of this…
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Cooldowns alone it’s 21… That’s way too many to keep track of.
1- Shield Slam
2- Thunderclap
3- Berserker Rage
4- Last Stand
5- Pummel
6- Storm bolt
7- Demo Shout
8- Ravager
9- Thunderous Roar
10- Shield Wall
11- Intimidating Shout
12- Shockwave
13- Charge
14- Shield Charge
15- Heroic Leap
16- Impending Victory
17- Spell Reflection
18- Spell Block
19- Avatar
20- Taunt
21- Challenging Shout
That’s CDs, stuff that you need shown in your screen and can’t hide, it’s just information overload.
Honestly talents should just be converted into passives that enhance abilities when it makes sense, like what they did with berserker rage and berserker shout. That would hugely alleviate the issue.
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You realize every single class has just about as much as that to track? Or are you really this bad?
80% of your button presses are shield slam, tclap, revenge, block, and IP. That’s it…
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That’s not nice.
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Your list is exaggerated and misleading.
It’s 20 cooldowns, not 21. You put Shield Bash twice.
In all seriousness, is Shield Bash even still a thing? I thought Pummel replaced it as the universal warrior interrupt. Maybe you’re thinking of Shield Charge?
The button bloat in these new trees is absurd
I hate fury now compared to SL because of the insane bloat.
Instead of having reck and spear now I have reck avatar spear ravager Odin’s fury etc etc.
It’s just too much crap
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Good catch. I meant to say shield slam and shield charge, not shield bash twice, I was writing off the top of my head. So it’s still 21 tho. Edited the other post.
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If it helps you can bind Avatar and Champion Spear together, they should practically never be used independently.
I have reck, avatar, and spear all bound together… thats not really the point though.
Why do i have both reck and avatar, they are the same thing. Why do i have odins fury, spear, and ravager? I should have one of them, not all 3.
Way too much bloat
I admit, a lot of those abilities I don’t even spec into for exactly the reason you’re saying. Fortunately I don’t play at a level even remotely challenging so lacking abilities like Ravager (which I’m told is/was godly even though I passed it up the moment I saw it was ground targeted) isn’t a big deal
I value simplicity and predictability, and honestly can’t see why people want complex rotations. If I’m driving a car I should be watching the road, not the wheel.
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It’s possible to macro it to either cast wherever your cursor is or even under your own feet without the additional needed click if you wish.
Either
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor]Ravager
Or
#showtooltip
/cast [@player]Ravager
Are all you need for a simple one
Hope this can help
No. For a while it was an honor talent but they reworked it to simply reset the CD on Shield Slam if used while the target was casting rather than be its own button.
I personally top out at around 37ish keybinds (`, 1-6, F, T and mouswheel push x 4, and a little side button for interrupt on every spec) , 20ish keybinds is nice and breezy. Not a lot by a large margin.
Active Gameplay / Continuous Rotation consists of.
Damage
1: Shield Slam
2: Thunderclap
3: Revenge (on proc, but can be discarded while you’re still learning the spec.)
4: Execute (only in execute range on bosses unless a proc, but can easily be discarded while still learning the spec.)
Defense
1: Shield Block
2: Ignore Pain
CD’s you pop whenever they’re available
1: Ravager 1.5m CD
2: Thunderous Roar 1.5m / 45s CD
3: Shield Charge 45s CD
4: Avatar
5: Demoralizing Shout
two can be consolidated into one macro by using the below
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod,@cursor] Ravager
/cast [mod:shift] Thunderous Roar
Which is a macro that will throw Ravager wherever your cursor is, and if you hold shift (or any other button you set it to, shift, alt, ctrl and so on.) it’ll swap to a button to cast Thunderous Roar, or they can be swapped out for Thunderous Roar / Shield Charge if you get the CD decrease, and remove the @cursor.
Situational CD’s You aren’t going to be actively paying attention to these, only using them when the situation arises, some of them that i’ll mark you only need to start using when you are feeling more comfortable and want to expand your keys you’re using, I didn’t use them right away either until I got a good feel for the spec.
1: Shield Wall (use when either a huge spike of damage is coming or a large smooth wave of damage from a large pull is coming.)
2: Last Stand (use after you get a huge spike of damage taken and things are looking a lil rough, it heals up the 30% so using it reactively or proactively doesn’t make much a difference in most cases.)
3: Spell Reflection (can be discarded while still learning, but can completely negate some mechanics if used right before an important spell is cast.)
4: Spell Block (use on bosses that cast a lot of spells or when you’re going into packs of mobs that cast a lot, make sure to face the mobs that are casting, you can not block spells from behind.)
5: Rallying Cry (use to help healers when the whole group is looking a little rough, do not use before fall damage.)
6: Berserker Rage (use when feared or incapacitated and you have all aggro.)
7: Shockwave (only have in Mythics, use when large pulls of packs are about to cast stuns or AoE damage abilities.)
In conclusion
It’s still a lot of binds, and it takes some time to get used to how many there are, but I find this spec to be one of the simpler to use Tank specs in game, and it helped me a lot to learn it and it felt a lot less daunting once I categorized all of the spells, half the time you don’t need to think about anything other than Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Ignore Pain, and Shield Block, those are really your main things you’re using and the rest are CD’s to help you be the immovable object that the Protection Warrior spec fantasy is, I recommend trying out macro’ing two abilities together for some things.
I use Bartender 3 to get back the Classic WoW UI, and I use the main bar and the top bar above it without much need for anything else, I have for keys 1-6, T, Y, 9, 0, -, =, for my bottom bar abiltiies, the last four are abilities I don’t use often and don’t ever want to fat finger (Berserker Rage, Commanding Shout, Battle Shout, Challenging Shout.)
For my top row I have Shift 1-6, Shift B, V, C, X, Z, F1, F2, F3, F4.
And for every spec except for shaman that i’ve played so far i’ve never needed any more keybinds than that, I personally don’t macro things together on Warrior cause i’m just used to the madness, but no harm would come of it.
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