The current state of AV and the honor system as a whole is in complete and utter shambles. Here are a few fixes Blizzard could implement to resolve the current ranking system that requires PVE to get PVP gear.
Before the #NoChanges crowd shows up: We are currently way past that with the loot table changes, the 1.12 itemization, all R14 weapons, weird batching, mega servers, and LOLayering
Implementing any one of these fixes would go a long way in fixing the entire situation.
1.) Gutting AV honor by 50% across the board. Currently AV is the best honor per hour and completely ignoring PVP and going straight for the PVE objectives should not be the state of Classic WoW PVP ranking. Thatâs something more akin to current WoW.
2.) Implement the Battleground Weekends now instead of later. I can deal with doing AV for a week/weekend, if it meant doing WSG the following week/weekend. Weâre way past authentic vanilla experience at this point with the 1.12 version of AV.
3.) Adjusting the matchmaking for battlegrounds. Immediately after queuing you are put in a matchmaking pool for your server specifically, then after a few minutes you are put into a pool for your time zone, then after a few more minutes get added to the region queue. Having to fight people from your own server more frequently than other servers would reignite some of those old WSG/AV guild rivalries
There are 3 reasonable changes that can be made to fix the current PVP ranking disaster.
Iâm asking everyone to keep making suggestions, and not start bickering or spewing toxic comments (reroll blah blah blah) that have nothing to do with fixing the broken system.
Iâd love for them to do #3, but I donât see it happening as itâs new functionality. #1 would be nice, but I doubt itâll be implemented because #nochanges. Ultimately, I think #2 is our best bet.
I like 3. I would prefer server specific BGâs to be honest. Our server is a bit out of whack compared to most and i might even see a Q time but I could live with that. These seems like the best of both worlds for me. Instant Q times and familiar faces.
2 is ok. I donât see the harm in it.
Other than that i donât see any issues that honestly would be resolved with these changes though. Here is the one thing I can tell you about calling for changes when it comes to pvp, nothing will work. Itâs like whack a mole, solve one problem cause 2 more.
So my suggestion is to say we just accept that it is what it its. WSG for fun, AV for honor grinders. In a few months pvp gear with be worthless anyways and no one will do AV. Then WSG will be popping and waiting for someone to claim bragging rights.
Even if i dont agree with it all thanks for taking the time to articulate your points so well.
Just release AB alongside BWL. Add the âfor great honor questâ that takes marks from all 3 bgâs for a massive bonus honor - a bigger spread of players quing for all 3bgâs to net all the mark types will improve q times across the board.
+6600xp
+150AV
+100AB
+100WSG
+2388 honor
+90s
This makes winning a wsg/ab/av game worth just over 7k honor just from the turnin - it also makes quing and losing each bg alot more benefitial - i love wsg but wont q for it atm due to a 100% chance to get smashed by a premade resulting in no rep and no honor- and these premades have a tendancy to use 10 players in flasks, full consumes, all have engineering, i have even seen world buffs.
These sound like my kind of people. Where they from?
On a serious note, now you are just spreading the problems around multiple BGâs. That group you described, they probably didnât care much about honor, rank grinding or even have a goal in mind. They just did it for the fun. Your system would literally force you to have to play more people like that. Which you donât like and donât want to do.
That doesnât sound like a good solution. This sounds like the scenario i described above. Whack one problem, 2 more pop up.
Obvious bait, but Iâll bite. That kind of comment is the kind of thing that derails a completely valid thread with real suggestions for change. None of the things I posted can be remedied with rerolling or getting good. The current AV meta is a problem. PVEing for PVP ranks is the issue, and the current version of AV on classic was only in the game for a few months at the end when most people were done ranking anyway. That is the issue here.
They also report players afk to get their 40 man premades into av - if you wipe them even once on their way to drek they afk out because 1 20 min turtle will leave them 3 games worth of honor behind the rest of the server.
Spreading the problem across multiple bgâs will improve q times - 15 players playing ab for a 5 cap = more games being played than an av. This might also allow horde to q for all 3 bgâs instead of no avail wsg games. When we q for wsg its 100% against a premade - there are zero pugs playing wsg. Having something that rewards better rep/honor from 3 losses will make it viable to q for all 3.
The bonus honor for a 3 bg mark turnin will ensure those high ranking players wont be able to spam 1 bg only.
Also - release all the rep rewards from the bgâs and watch bg participation skyrocket - spell ring from av, wsg legs/bracers, ab cloak/shoulders/run speed boots/weapons.
Same - id lose every single game just to get those legs - id even have a guild premade designed only to lose 3 games quickly just to get the turnin rep. Im sure the other 17 warriors in the guild would join it.
Edit - mind you id rather win every game, but losses would mean something to workl towards.
Stop being intentionally dense and a troll. Read over what I said in the original post. Nothing about queue times or fighting AV premades. My proposed change has everything to do with PVEing to rank up in PVP and to incentivize BOTH factions to queue WSG. Because guess what, the alliance can also premade in WSG too!
