But you AREN’T looking at it objectively, you’re looking at it from your own bias and so quick to dismiss a hole because you don’t think it’s likely. If you look at this from everyone’s perspective you can see where it can and will punish outside the parameters of intention. That alone is enough to say “Bad idea, back to the drawing board”.
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Oh boy, it’s you again. This ought to be stunning…
Hmmm… ok, yep, same thing. Also, there is no “bias” in my statement. Just sayin.
I’m sorry, but the absolute only thing that anyone has used as an opposition is “connection issues.” If you’re choosing to queue up for group content, knowing full and well that you have issues, you are the problem.
I’m not going to sign up for a volleyball tournament with 1 broken arm and expect leniency. If I have anger issues and keep leaving games, I am my own problem.
Deserter is fine as is. What they need to do is shorten the window of time you have to accept the queue, especially if it’s a game already in progress. I think currently, you have a minute and a half, maybe even 2? Should really cut it down to 30-40 seconds for fresh games and 15-20 for in progress (assuming they have tech that knows that’s what it is)
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You dont have to admit there is a hole in the logic, Greyhide. Everyone else can see it. Keep on keepin’ on with your deflection and dissmissal. Looks good on you.
Oops wrong toon.
Can you please stop using words you do not know the meaning of? Bias, deflection, dismissal… it’s really making it hard to take any of your posts with even the slightest bit of seriousness.
Who is “everyone?” You, your paladin alt and the mouse in your pocket? I see posts above that agree with the OP’s stance that are not me.
Feel free to prove this idea in OP is superior to the one I agreed with, and how my hypothetical situation that shot a big hole in the OP is so unlikely a company wouldn’t even consider it when trying to resolve the deserter issue.
Until then, you’re just playing with yourself.
Finishing off with a troll reply. Who didn’t see that one coming?
I accidentally edited my last post instead of posting new, so quoting for visibility.
I’m not finishing off anything but your sad excuse for a debate. I’m vocal when I think something is a good idea, and I’m more vocal when I see a bad idea. You can’t dismiss me and pretend you’re some victor here.
Hopefully you can understand this: Bad idea is bad.
You’re just pouting at this point. You’re asking for proof when it was already presented to you. Covering your ears going “la la la la la!” does not mean nobody spoke to you.
And yes, I certainly can dismiss you. Like now.
Have a great day!
EDIT: Apologies to the OP. I shouldn’t feed trolls and contribute to your thread derailing. I still agree with you. People who do things deliberately should absolutely be held accountable. I really see no reason not to.
No proof was presented. Literally all you’ve said is “like that could even happen”.
We’ll see if I’ve been dismissed.
My suggestion was after 3 the deserter debuff duration increased significantly. If you left 6 BGs in 1 week you’d be locked out until reset. I didn’t suggest 3 strikes and you’re out.
I like the other suggestion someone mentioned as well. I simply think there should be some penalty for chronic AFK’ers. You seem to be using your own paradigm as to why it shouldn’t happen. Even if you aren’t willing to speculate, I’m sure you know that people leaving losing BGs consistently aren’t the victims of shoddy ISPs, rather tantrum throwing babies.
I know that serial leavers is an issue, what I’m stating is that there is a big chance your proposed solution could punish people unintentionally. That’s all I’m saying, and that’s plenty of reason that we should return the drawing board on this one. I agreed with the other idea because it was more forgiving in areas your proposal was not.
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Your connection status is available for everyone by hovering over the ? in the bottom right, so they know if they’re having issues yet choose continue playing, so they cannot use that as a repeat excuse as that’s asinine. They’re just being sore losers. Yes, they’re frustrated because they’re not winning but leaving means they get absolutely nothing, not even consolation honor.
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Pretty much, yes. I have friends that are OCX, rural, transatlantic, or
that only have one terrible ISP available to them. There’s no way my thought processes can’t include them.
Each individual that nopes out of a battleground has their own thought processes going on as well:
- Some don’t want to stick around where loss is inevitable, so they’re thinking “it sucks to be you” and they nope out.
- Others have tons of alts and just log over in search of a winning match.
- Some leave because of the team composition.
- Still more are worried that they aren’t good enough as players, so they leave in order to avoid being called out in chat.
- There are probably dozens that have anger problems. They may see their teammates as inferiors unworthy of their “totally amazing” skills.
- And some people AFK out because the pizza arrived, and they feel it’s better to leave the battleground entirely instead of letting the Farm go undefended.
Some of the above people just need incentives to stay in the game–a reminder of an achievement they can get, or a bonus objective to complete, such as securing a retreat. Others would stop their behaviour with game changes, like making deserter account-wide after two AFKs, or queuing them against nothing but gladiator premades forever and ever. Still more just need some encouragement, direction, and a good laugh.
Back in 2012 Blizzard got rid of the /follow command in battlegrounds, bots were a big problem back then. Unfortunately the change also wrecked the ability of blind PvPers to play with their friends. Bad processes for fixing problems lead to bad outcomes; I just don’t want to see Blizzard try to fix rage-quitters in a similar fashion and wreck, say, most of the OCX PvPers.
nah, a deserter debuff requires effective matchmaking
turning it up will just empty out the mode and generate more punishing friction to the players
we need MORE players not less
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With all due respect, that’s their problem. My younger sister moved to a nice house in the suburbs South of my town and they find out after they move in that there is no internet service providers in that area. The can get a hotspot with limited bandwidth. She knows what she got herself into.
When I get DC’ed from a game, I find it very frustrating. If it happens to me twice in a night I will log out because of that frustration. So I must admit I don’t get the mentality that would keep trying to do something when a person doesn’t have the tools it takes to do it. Like a decent connection. I’m lucky to live in a rural area yet have broadband cable (Thanks Obama).
But the problem here is people leaving BGs. When it comes right down to it, the why they leave is irrelevant.
Is it the rage quitters fault for lacking emotional control? Yes, always. So never mind this question.
Is it the players fault if real life issues get in the way? If it is frequent then yes. It’s that players fault for trying to play under such circumstances.
Is it the players fault for a bad connection? Not the connection but for playing in the first place it is.
Why would anyone sign up to do something they know full well they have a good chance of not being able to see through? I’m not talking about someone who has 3 or 4 incidents a week but let’s say 10+? Why even bother? I wouldn’t play this game at all if I had so many things that could go wrong (there are other options in the gaming universe).
I didn’t play much for a good 3 weeks recently because of family issues. I could have tried to but I knew there was a good chance I’d have to step away to do things and because of that, I saw no point. It would have just left me frustrated. Frustrated at the game, the circumstance, everything. I played games I could pause instead most of the time. I missed my friends, but it was a much smarter decision. No doubt about it.
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If you’re in a situation like that where your power or connection are tempermental, maybe you should find something else to do with your time than something where 9-14 other people are relying on you.
Or get a couple UPS’s. A little cheapie for the modem/router, and a better one for your computer. Or put it all on one if they’re close together. I had to when I lived in an apartment that lost power during storms a lot.
Even in the house today I keep it all on UPS, because why not? The signal is still there in your cable/DSL line even when your computer and modem lost power. You could still be using it if they were kept on.
That person could solve their own problems very easily like I did.
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Did I reply to this one yet? Anyway…
@OP, nope.
You add that to the game and watch queue times go through the roof. People would stop playing altogether because it wouldn’t be worth it.