[PROFESSIONS] This also needs to change before TWW goes live

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Devs have been doing a great job preventing degen strats in professions system

1st one was to remove the artesans mettle recieved from one time treasures, since pretty much every Gold making guide were suggesting to get those from each profession before taking the main one.

After this change, their solution was to build 3 profession Tools Crafter alts in order to use these artesans points trough the crafting order system to build Tools for the main ones.

Seeing that people were lrveling HUNDREDS of characters in remix for this reason, devs made that artisans points could no longer be provided by the crafter, only by the one whom orders It.

It leads to the most recent degen start:
We get some artisans points for each 1st time crafts in ANY professions, so, they’re going to cycle professions doing 1st time crafts in order to acummulate as much as possible.

Of course, between the 3 methods mencioned, this one is the most expensive to do (A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE BTW), HOWEVER, since in TWW we’ll have the ability to guarantee Max rank itens once we hit a treshhold plus the better Tools, It means that the market will be dominated by a handful of people in the 1st months or so.

So, why do we care? This has always have been the way things worked, right?
Well, this time devs are really puting the effort to provide an even play field for everyone, and I don’t think It would be unreasonable to expect some more change for this too.

I thought about some way to make these artesans points profession liked (like, tailoring artesans would only be able to buy tailoring related stuff).
But thats only a suggestion I had in a couple of minutes about the topic, for sure they can come up with something more elaborated than this.

Please share your opnions about the topic and upvote It in hope that it gets seen by devs. :v:

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its like 9 days till it launches…any threads about changing anything is far too late at this point.

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The crafting expense is a pretty heavy hurdle. Especially when this is only useful at the very beginning of an expansion and mat prices are at the highest.

One-time treasures prob should be deleted, that’s really the only thing that stands out to me. Or have them apply skill points and zero knowledge/mettle.

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They made the last change yesterday If I’m not mistaken, theres enough time to one or more hotfix

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it needs more than a hotfix.

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Yeah, that was the 1st change they applied.
Right now on beta the treasures don’t give any mettles.
But 1st time crafts still gives It, and It IS universal for professions, so the strat now is to suffle professions 1st crafts to earn as much of it

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The fact these degenerate strats are a thing is because of how stilly and convoluted professions have become.

Profession tools should be BOE. The fact that so much is locked by the horrible request system is the reason people are looking to game the system.

Degenerate strats exist because the systems itself woefully flawed.

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The playing field is the same for everyone. Equality of opportunity.

What you’re asking for equality of outcome. no matter how much effort people want to put in, we all end up with the same thing.

And mettle is one of the convoluted methods they use to try and enforce that. To keep people that would be willing to put more effort in from gaining anything for it.

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Alts are still king going into the next expansion. Consider the following scenario:

You have one blacksmith, but the other person has 4 blacksmith alts. You are forced to choose how to spend your KP, the guy with many alts will have 4x as much kp for unlocking weapons/armor/tools/materials. Nothing they do will ever “make it fair”, the person who only wants to casually engage with professions will ALWAYS be behind, and have a bad time.

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I get your point, but I don’t think that’s what I’m asking for.
I didn’t say that ppl shouldnt be able to invest time/gold into professions and make profit out of It.

But It would be a better system If the suffle were not possible.

Or are you sayin that the goblins wouldnt find a way to min/Max theyr profts in a regular economy without using saved gold to do shienenegans with AA in the 1st months?

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how are you sharing KP between toons?

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They’re not sharing kp between toons. They’re just pointing out that more toons of one profession means they can specialize in more things than a casual solo crafter. KP are easy to come by - first crafts, treasures, etc. Plus with rep being account wide you can easily purchase the rep KP books on alts when you hit the requirements.

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I don’t know If I expressed myslelf in the better way possible in the OP.
But the problem is that people realized that shuffleing professions on beta grants a lot of AA from 1st time bonus and NPC work orders.
So, they have been switching professions and farming AA to get the crafting tools much more sooner than It was intended to be.
In TWW, you’ll be able to guarantee Max rank stuff without the need for concentration once you maxed your profession and got the tools.

So, the problem is not shared KP, but the artesans mettle, theres a new name, ppl are refering to It as AA.

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I absolutely hated dragonflight crafting is it like that?

Also hated it all the way back to legion where i had a love hate with it

And with warbank can we use the stupid bind on pickups from raids on other toons?

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Shuffling professions on beta… I think that is the operative word here: on beta. Copy a toon with a ton of gold and do what you describe on a toon that has a limited lifespan and dominating that ephemeral market that is the beta.

Dropping a profession and leveling another costs a ton of gold/mats. I wouldn’t wish leveling DF LW on my worst enemy! Dropping for mettle?? Or whatever version it is in TWW? I got alts swimming in mettle here! Others are starved of it cause I got a profitable way to use it. My engy alts were more than happy to provide for my other alt’s tools when they could. Even used it with friends/guildmates.

There will be a craze for tools most likely. This time around I hope to be involved in it. I did make friends with crafters for the whole expansion this time around also. Referenced them when I saw a screamer in trade. Is that so bad???

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