These two things don’t make sense together. A master crafter that can only craft things for themselves to use? Who genuinely wants that? What RPG fantasy does that fulfill? What place does that have in an MMO?
Turning all BoP (bind-on-pickup) profession-crafted items into BoE (bind-on-equip) would liberate so much for the crafting gameplay in WoW.
Engineering a convenience (Crafting Orders) to address an inconvenience (BoP crafted items) is mobile gameplay psychology 101, and players hate it.
The Auction house is a great system for allowing players to sell their goods to other players. Augment it with a “purchase orders” system to replace the crafting orders system (keep many of the crafting order system’s better features, but don’t limit it to crafting) and we’d be golden.
Sigh. Just add Unique Equipped-Crafted Armor (1) to each piece of powerful crafted gear and augment the number each time you want to make one more piece of gear available for players to wear. Weapons can have a similar Unique Equipped-Crafted Weapon (1) which updates less frequently (to address items, usually 2-handers, which currently require multiple Sparks to craft).
It’s a bit of a contradiction because I think Blizzard is scared of very powerful crafted BoE gear due to its direction toward p2w.
But it seems most people here view Blizz as a soulless money grabbing monster so you’d think they would have done this 10 years ago specifically because it would be more p2w.
my mage can agree to this, he has been a blacksmith since vanilla, and imagine his surprise when this awesome epic 2handed sword recipe drops as loot only to find out it is Bind on Pickup.
yeah, just loving (not - that was sarcasm) this new and improved crafting system.
i mean seriously, we had in place one for 17 years? then suddenly out of no where we have this monstrosity?
I agree they need more BoE gear about ilvl 370 or so that can be sold on the AH because the blue gear is too low an item lvl to help much in world content on some specs/classes. Not fun not being able to do content in certain elites areas without constantly dying in 340 gear, just makes people avoid that content and hard to progress.
However, the work order system does have good points so no not all BoP crafted items should be BoE.
The current system is the compromise between making professions more impactful, and making the game more p2w. If someone can just buy a full set of crafted mythic gear off the AH, then game really would be p2w.
The fact that the WoW token exists compromises any chance WoW has at being truly free of any p2w elements. Freeing up crafting orders is still a win for everyone, not a loss (in my opinion).
i don’t see the problem with the crafting system the way it is. my mats, i get to tell them what i want, stats i want and it works great. i bought two boe raid pieces off the ah that someone was dumb enough to sell cheap, made a ring and neck, bought a two piece primal invasion set so far. i don’t see why this is so wrong.
Yeah I always giggle when people say ‘it would be pay to win’, like what do they win? They are fully geared and get to log out and don’t come back until next patch? What a waste of gold.
I’m here to have fun and play with friends while collecting xmogs and random achievements along the way. I will run stuff being over geared on my main because I’m helping others out while we chat in Discord.
Their idea, is to promote social experiences. But they failed to create a work order UI that enabled that.
What should have happened, is that a person wanting to get something made, should have been able to search for online crafters. Or the crafter should have been able to passively make themselves available.
Instead, the crafter must spam a trade channel with a macro, and hope to be noticed over the 60 other people spamming their profession. Everyone but the ultra no life crafters spamming 24/7 opt out of that nonsense, leaving only the people who are happy to gouge customers for 50k a pop. It’s a legitimately terrible system.
The easiest fix would be for people to be able to check minimum quality on public orders. Or for crafters to be able to list a sell order that people could fill with the listed mats, and the price, and instantly get the item at the minimum or higher, based on inspiration proc.
it’s really dumb that only use i have for gathered mats is just to sell them, since there’s nothing of value that i can craft. BoE gems cost less than materials even at t3
They messed up crafting big time with this IMO.
They could of had crafting orders been a side thing that lets people get some stuff here and there. But ultimately let everything be BoE.
I have no use for my professions now which is sad.
1 server has someone sitting there all day it seems like and is the go to for all the things. Another one where it is basically dead. And so on and so forth…
I think they did things out of a genuine place but really was a huge step in the wrong direction if they wanted to make crafting professions be alive again.
I think a lot of people have at least a vague idea. But they quickly learn that putting one up, means they get bamboozled, and get back a 2 or 3 star, when they were expecting a 4 or 5.
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Which is in line with their stated goals of work orders being how you quickly get an item. Which you then have to get someone to recraft. But there’s minimal incentive for a crafter to recraft, since most of the “advantage” is in skill ups and first time crafts. So crafters refuse to recraft someone else’s craft, or gouge on the price for recrafts.
Forced social communication rarely is long lasting and meaningful. They just see classic wow and say ‘‘well people want that back’’. Which rarely is the case in retail.
nah fam, people don’t want to put themselves out there these days, they just want to passively and anonymously craft something when they see an order pop up
Op is spot on the system makes no sense. Why even create a world(Dragon Isles) if there’s really nothing in it, gathering soulbound mats in a souless world.