New crafting system, quality, all really neat! Well done! Until you hit 60. Then it’s stupid. Like, really bad. Facepalm bad.
Walking up the steady slope of leveling crafting, I seem to hit a chasm straight down into an abyss. What I mean is, you go from moderate material requirements to needing an ABSURD amount of primal chaos for a SINGLE craft.
It’s all BOP too, so either I need to be able to use the item to justify the cost and effort of the nutty primal chaos reqs, or I need to find a work order to level up. Catch 22 here - you can’t, because noone is using public orders. Why? It seems clear - the materials requirements are so absurd that why would anyone want 382 gear when they could get 400+? Hope you picked up the right knowledge points. Can’t respec points. Whoops. Why would you give these options but make a “one right way to do it” path if you want a chance to progress?
I farmed for an hour today, got 5 whole primal chaos. I could make charts to show how it compares to farming elemental overload and sigils but frankly for the effort, what the everliving heck is the point of this? You either have millions to pay people for your skill ups, or you’re just… brickwalled out of progression. Done and done.
Bliz missed the mark on this, HARD. It started great and interesting but, this was definitely a waste of time for me. If you had millions of gold to pay to request crafting orders, and got ahead of the curve, or you are okay with farming dungeons endlessly and have that much time to farm that much primal chaos, good on you I guess. I don’t.
That’s an incredibly exclusive system. It’s like myhthic raiding. Did they mean for it to be so exclusive or so clearly time consuming? Man I’m just floored how badly they missed the mark on this, and how fun it could have been to spend my time improving my craft but, nope. Brick wall.
They are testing out a new gear progression path (previously only the big 3 gave high level gear: m+, raid, pvp). It’s intentionally slower after the first 50-60 skill points so that people can’t just gear out in crafted epics week 1, at least not easily at all. It’s meant to take time and effort to get there.
That said, if you are stuck at 60, depending no your profession, there are patterns you can get that are not spec specific that will get you to 75/100 skill without needing crafting orders. Some are timegated, some are repgated, some are drops/buyable, but they all will get you there.
You definitely don’t need to use the crafting order system to level. Wowhead had a pretty good interface that will show you all the patterns and their skill levels. The tooltips of the patterns will have their locations.
Also side note, I’ve seen a lot of folks think they were stuck but if they just finished spending knowledge points in their current spec, they would have gotten a pattern to level to 100. Blacksmithing did this to me. I didn’t realize that filling out my spec to full points netted me the Master’s Hammer pattern (multiple specs provide this), which goes all the way to 100. I don’t know which prof you have currently, but I would start with wowhead. If you need help finding the right page there, let us know. I just need to know the prof you are and we can get you a link and some recipe ideas.
Mythic+ gives a lot of primal chaos. I think it’s 1-ish per key level? So doing a +10 will get you 10 chaos. I’m sitting on almost 700 chaos and I’ve made 2 concentrated and 3 primal infusions, which which cost me like 600 chaos. Normal and heroic raids give a good bit as well, though I don’t know the exact numbers off the top of my head. Random BG pvp boxes were giving 1 each as well at the start of the expac, not sure what it’s like with the rated pvp boxes.
im not in a guild and was looking for more chill activities, so LFR once a week might be an option? but still, by the time i have enough chaos for like two pieces ill have better gear from raids again. never done mythic and i don’t really know anyone to run with, and generally avoid the sweaty crowd because i play to have fun and relax, not get yelled at. I’m an OK player but if I have to min/max for that, it sounds not fun.
just wish they took a ffxiv approach - where crafting can be done in a bubble rather than “you must also do considerably harder PVE content to do crafting” which makes zero sense to me. i.e., high level crafting is only something for hardcore players who like grinding dungeons or something.
I think Ion has in his mind everyone who plays WoW is an e-sports type. They put so much effort in making sure the super elite get all the exploits early and often.
i’d still like to point out that if it requires a 20-page guide on a 3rd-party website to explain all of this, you’re going to have a lot of people like myself frustrated with the system. From a pure gameplay perspective, it is objectively poor design. why can’t it be “have fun exploring this, progress how you like” and intuitive… instead of “hope you didn’t spread points around and did the ‘correct’ method of leveling instead of the wrong one”
Stuck in 60s on engineering. To make the bracers I want, I have to get to 75 to even unlock the right specialization. Orders are non-existent and any items I CAN make use rare and extremely expensive components.
Have to say I’ve really disliked the new profession system. All it’s seem to have done it lock out some folks from making any use of it outside of paying bloated prices for them on the AH (weapon enchants 100k? get out of here).
They dumped all the “systems” from our class systems into professions and it shows. Really hope they change it (soon). The only thing I still can make use of from engineering is items from 3 expansions ago.
There needs to be something readily available that can carry you to at least the skill cap. I went Tool Smiting and Hammer Control not knowing any better, so I cannot get into Weapon/Armor forging until 75…Which I can’t get to without a significant investment (And probably weeks and weeks because EVERYTHING requires sparks)
If it helps, since you went toolsmithing, at 10 points into tool smithing you can get Khaz’gorite Blacksmith’s Toolbox which skills up to 100, but you should only need it till 75, where you can start working on either weapons or armor. No sparks needed for it. I’d recommend doing normal armor and weapons to 65 first though. faster and more efficient skill point wise.
The system is unnecessarily convoluted & complicated–and requires buying stuff on the Auction House (or having multiple professions) in order to make even simple stuff (i.e. cooking first recipe). Professions are not any fun any longer. Takes too much time for too little reward. I can understand that the making of Mythic gear would require a greater effort–but just getting beyond level 50 is boring, grueling and irritating.
If you want those bracers, make crafting order yourself and someone will do it for you, ask for crafter in trade chat.
I wanted alchemy trinket, but I specced wrong in alchemy, so I made someone make it for me in higher quality.
One of the problems is people are used for years to get to max prof level and they can do everything themselves which is not the case now. It just takes time.
Im not saying there are no problems with crafting system, there are.
There is NOTHING for inscription beyond 65 that does not require crafting orders, 300 artisan’s mettle, or a spark of inspiration. Nothing.
I’m stuck. I will remain stuck until something else is added. I will literally never get to 100 inscription unless new recipes are added. Even the unlearned ones do not offer level-up points (why on EARTH they called one of the profession secondaries “skill” when we have used that word for 17 years to mean leveled points of a profession I will never understand).
Unless there is a sudden run on public crafting orders for Darkmoon deck trinkets (I’ve never seen even one) or random tiny inscription-specific dragon customizations (again…never seen even one), I will never even hit 70, much less max it out.
You get free artisans mettle on all of your crafting toons every week. You get a free spark every 2 weeks. You will get out of this. You may not want to get out of it this way, but you can.
I’m not saying it is a good system. There are definitely flaws. I’m just saying you are not stuck. You have a way out. If you want out quickly, you can use sparks (either on your alts which have 3 free sparks right now or on your crafter), but you can also use mettle. It’s not ideal and I think they should add in patterns that don’t require mettle or sparks, but there is an avenue out.
12k gold and 300 mettle per craft, it’s not realistic. You’ll get there with Darkmoon before you get enough Mettle even if you do have deep enough pockets and are prepared to set fire to that much gold.
They dun goofed, and we need to stop defending them so they do something about it.
It’s only 225 mettle (still high I agree) and the rest of the mats are super farmable, even the khaz. You can set yourself a goal of farming the khaz ore to make one each day, sell any other ore/essences you get to buy more khaz ore with whatever you make off the awakened essences and other ore. You get free mettle each week and if you don’t want to wait, just set your alts up to collect mettle and they can do work orders for it with their mettle. That’s how I skilled up with it.
Again, not saying it is a great solution, but there is a solution available. I really wish they would add a good skillup pattern to each spec.
Agreed - this system isn’t defensible. Let people reach the cap gradually, somehow.
If the design choice here was to make us slowly cap profession skills over the entire duration of the expansion it was poorly communicated or not communicated at all
Primal chaos requirements are absurd. Some other material requirements (frosty/firey soul) are obnoxious but I can choke that down a bit better than the primal chaos requirements.
People keep referring to farming Mythic 10+ to efficiently farm primal chaos. If we are supposed to farm mythic for primal chaos, by the time we have enough we likely won’t have need of the gear. That means EVERY crafter has to run mythics, a completely different system within the game? That’s bad. Really really poorly designed. me? I can barely stomach more than 1 dungeon of any variety, let alone grinding harder content with friends I don’t have or hardcore players.
Brick walled at 60-65, no viable progress sans for people in 3 or 5 (below)
Only people getting work orders from others are the people that dropped obscene amounts of gold into the new crafting system to get ahead. Public work orders are pointless because noone wants anything less than the highest quality, and comparatively few people HAVE the skills to get the highest quality.
I would posit that a “good” crafting system lets you progress however you wish and do what you like. It’s clear that if you take the “wrong” knowledge points first you’re going to be in a hardcore rut for who-knows-how-long, or perhaps forever and you can just scrap the concept of professions on that character indefinitely.
Considering it’s gear perhaps on par with normal difficulty raiding, it’s actually more time consuming and harder to get than normal raiding. Why? It doesn’t make any sense. What’s the theme here? What’s the point? What’s the impetus for these choices? I’m baffled.
Yeah I’m having this huge issue with my Tailoring. I’m stuck. I’m literally stuck. I can’t craft any more items to further my Tailoring skill so I can put more points into other talent systems. I literally can’t do anything right now to further my profession so I can actually do anymore with it. I’m stuck at 65 and literally can’t even go anywhere. This was a HUGE oversight to this. I’m really frustrated cause I just farmed all of these knowledge points but now I can’t even spend them where I want to spend them. It’s utterly ridiculous.
Ah I see you made the same mistake I did in that you didn’t pick the Draconic Needlework specialization, which soft locks you at 65 unless you spend absurd cash on the auction house.
YUP! This is exactly what happened to me. Unfortunately, tailoring is the first thing that I did at the launch of the expansion, not knowing this could happen.