I’ve seen Boomie guides and “priority lists,” for both sides… is one significantly better?
I was making sure I had Dots up then get into eclipse, recently I see a lot saying yo get into your eclipse before dotting?
Also avoiding Astral over capping always takes priority right?
The priorities are:
Ideally you’d want to refresh DoTs before your previous Eclipse falls off, then cast only the two fillers you need to enter the next Eclipse, then begin the new Eclipse rotation (Starsurges -> fillers).
The priorities are:
- Get into an Eclipse
- Don’t overcap (I think this is here? Could be one lower, I don’t remember)
- Maintain DoTs
Ideally you’d want to refresh DoTs before your previous Eclipse falls off, then cast only the two fillers you need to enter the next Eclipse, then begin the new Eclipse rotation (Starsurges → fillers).
None of this is true, do the opposite of everything they just said
On a boss I’ll go into my eclipse first. On trash I put up my DoTs first. Also depends on where I am in my eclipse cycle. If I’m heading into solar on a AoE pack I want to get my eclipse up right away to get it on cooldown so I can transition into lunar faster, and I’m perfectly happy putting up DoTs instead of casting wrath, while the opposite might be true if I’m transitioning into lunar on a big pull where I want to spam starfire.
So I thought I knew my class, but based on the opinions here I’m wondering.
What I thought our rotation was:
Maintain dots, but only apply/reapply them when you are 1 spell from eclipse. (Not in eclipse, about to enter).
Don’t cap AP, but pool enough that when you enter eclipse you should pump 3 star surges. You may toss out 1 more depending on your haste level. But have enough AP for 3 more at the next eclipse.
Idk if we’re discussing single target or aoe, but for single absolutely I want to make sure my dots are on before next eclipse, why even bother taking Solstice if you’re not going to do that? Getting into eclipse asap for mastery bonus when you have no dots or starfall chugging means nothing anyway. Plus you’d just be throwing away 2 GCD’s of eclipse duration on re-dotting when that could be used on the tail of eclipse that’s been empowered.
I never try to refresh dots during eclipse unless it happens to be at the very start, and that is a sh*t scenario if it happens. The end of eclipse your wrath/starfire is so juiced up using those would be top priority vs gaining 4 seconds of dot uptime.
So end of eclipse I just keep spamming filler and then let final cast get 1 of 2 eclipse starters which still made use of the cast speed from previous eclipse. Then I re-dot and then go into next eclipse, AP dump repeat.
I mean from the above poster who quoted me, I’d say the rotation is a bit more nuanced rather than a cut and dry “never reach 100 AP” and stuff.
For example, if you’re playing the BoAT legendary (which to be honest, no reason you shouldn’t be), if you’re looking to enter an Eclipse, but would overcap AP a little bit in doing so, you should not use AP so that you can save it for when you enter an Eclipse and fire off 3 high Crit chance Starsurges.
At least what’s listed in WoWhead, it’s more of priorities inside a vacuum rather than priorities over one another involving all the legendaries and how it would ideally go.
From how I’ve experience it, especially in ST, is that you will always be in a pandemic window before you leave an Eclipse, so the moment you leave it you can cast 2 builders, immediately enter a new Eclipse, and fire off Starsurges. So your rotation during the period of entering an Eclipse and having close to 80-90 AP would be something like:
There would be about 5 GCDs (5-6 seconds) between leaving an Eclipse and finishing your 3rd Starsurge cast, so you can either refresh DoTs right when it enters the Pandemic Window, or even if you don’t it would only be off the boss for 1-2 seconds. You also minimize your time outside of an Eclipse, so your DoTs and Starfall, if it’s going for AoE, can maintain their damage increases.
But why would you want to throw away the last 3 seconds of eclipse that’s fully empowered and giving mastery bonus re-dotting instead of on builders, instead of re-dotting during the eclipse downtime?
Is 3-5 seconds of moonfire/sunfire ticking worth more than 3-5 seconds of highly empowered wrath/starfire?
But I’m also only talking about single target again, aoe is definitely different and more complicated.
Speaking mostly for ST because I’m still kinda dog at constant AoE at times.
Not casting anything extra inside of Eclipses is meant to minimize the amount of time you spend out of an Eclipse. If you’re casting all your DoTs outside of an Eclipse (2-3 depending on talents), you’re spending twice as long outside of an Eclipse which over the course of a raid boss starts whirling down the total amount of Eclipses you’re going to be in.
The majority of our damage comes from Starsurge anyway, especially during the BoAT window. It’s also not like we’re refreshing DoTs every Eclipse either, and only refreshing during a strict time (not inside Eclipses, so 15 seconds intervals) is extremely inefficient and doesn’t take advantage of the huge flexibility the Pandemic Window offers.
Sunfire lasts 18 seconds, Moonfire 22, and Stellar Flare 24. With the Pandemic Windows, the max possible durations for the DoTs can be:
Sunfire: 24 seconds
Moonfire: 29 seconds
Stellar Flare: 32 seconds
So limiting yourself to only recasting every 15 seconds (not in Eclipses) means you up refreshing your DoTs far earlier than you need to (and as you are worried about, losing casts of more important skills further down the line such as Wrath and Starsurge).
It’s also not like you’re recasting DoTs every Eclipse either. It’s entirely possible for the durations to be so long that you refresh right before you end an Eclipsw, enter a new one, and spend the entire Eclipse not needing to refresh any DoTs while still maintaining maximum uptime and getting the high priority BoAT Starsurges off.
I don’t think Boomkins are nearly as rigid as something like Fire Mages. The nature of eclipses and DoT durations make it so you need to make decisions based on the circumstances of a situation.
Kinda like how it’s often best to hold onto astral power between pulls so you can put up that immediate Starfall
How exactly is spending more time out of eclipse bad, assuming theres no dots or starfall ticking away?
This is not true. Bonuses are dynamic not snapshot.
There should be no "eclipse downtime ". That shouldn’t be a thing and if it is, you’re not doing it right. Always aim to get back into next eclipse asap. All reputable guides make that pretty clear.
That’s exactly my point, if you have ZERO dots or starfall out, how is mastery helping you. Yes let me immediately get back into eclipse asap not only to waste a portion of my eclipse spending GCD’s to reapply dots, but also waste half of my Solstice window. All because, oh no i’m not gaining mastery for 2 GCDs even though I have no dots on my target… ?
This is what you should be doing. You should be rotating through eclipses as fast as you can to get as much out of BOAT as you can. DoTs should be refreshed at the end of your eclipse window so you’re not wasting GCDs outside eclipse and can take advantage of your crit window.
For the opener you should be Wrath > Wrath > Starsurge > Starsurge > Dots > CA > Convoke
There’s time for both, it’s not either or. You need to be casting as many buffed star surges as possible, which requires eclipse windows with BoaT. You front load a bunch of damage in the eclipse then use the rest of it to refresh dots and build for the next eclipse.
You dump starsurges to empower your eclipse a bunch and waste the rest of it dotting? lol
A couple of globals to dot isn’t “wasting the rest of it”. Dont know why you keep pretending like there isnt time during an eclipse.
Also don’t know why you seem to think your empowered fillers is where you need to worry about getting all your damage from.
Lastly, you keep arguing against what people/guides have figured out is optimal and pretending like the rest of us are just dumb all you want. I’m done arguing with you as if I have a vested interest in correcting your mistakes. The info is here for everyone else now. Best of luck to you!
Yeah he’s pulling things out of context for his own agenda. Me thinks he’s figured out he’s wrong and now he’s just trying to argue for the sake of arguing to cover up the short comings
Lol ok, so lets say you’re out of eclipse and your dots happened to have fallen off unfortuantely for whatever circumstance you’re in. It’s not an aoe situation, theres no other dots or starfall going. You’re telling me you’re going not going to double dot first before you start the next eclipse into starsurge spam? So like, just throw away Solstice + BoaT? Feel free to explain how that’s a dps gain in that situation.
Or…and hear me out cuz this gets a little craaazy…dot AFTER you starsurge x3 taking advantage of solstice and boat…