Just gonna say it, healer mana in comparison to prevoker mana needs serious balancing. I have literally never oomed in an arena even after 5 minutes. The fact that Echo literally doubles your healing and does not cost mana but rather a resource which regenerates on its own even while you are CCed is actually insane to me. But buff other healers, don’t nerf the top healers. There’s few enough healers already.
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Pres Mana is fine, it 100% ooms.
I oom all the time in to DH DK.
Cdew on the #1 evoker on ladder last night playing DH DK consistently lost on mana to an HPAL (worst mana in the game) that was playing WW DK. This is with emerald communion mana return and 1-2 disintegrates throuhgout the game.
Energy loop is good but it’s not that good and when you can’t spare a single global on anything but throughput it’s impossible to get fully channeled disintegrates.
Not to mention any player with half a brain knows the only thing really worth kicking on evoker is disintegrate anyway as you’re cucking the mana regen and wasting the 3 essence or essence break they spent to channel it.
Evoker is very barely a top healer at the moment and getting worse by the day. The change to dream projection being dispellable is basically going to mean that evoker hard loses to every single purge comp in the game before the gates open.
Come tuesday evoker is worse than disc, shaman, druid, and likely paladin but that remains to be seen as too many question marks for how hpal will play.
Can you stop quoting cdew in every thread. Plz, just give it up already.
This is his literal job. This is all he does all day long and all he does is play healers.
He is not representative of the community.
Oh where’s he at on his HPal? Lol 
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The man said that pres evoker mana is broken.
I gave him an example from the #1 rated pres evoker in NA losing on mana consistently to a healer that is supposed to have the worst mana in the game.
Pres mana isn’t broken they oom perfectly fine when you Q in to people that have keyboards above 1400.
Go back to 1100 on all 3 specs in solo shuffle homie.
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It is, they don’t oom.
If you care so much about him, he literally had videos with him and a devoker 1 shotting 3 players at the same time.
Evokers are super OP S tier in both specs across PvE/PVP.
Probably makes sense considering how ugly they are.
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They consistently oom to players that know how to do damage
Evoker is A tier @ best and will be worse on tuesday with dream projection being dispellable. You wouldn’t know because you’ve never played the game at a relevant level which is perfectly fine but you don’t see me walking in to OR’s and presuming to tell surgeons that they’re performing surgery wrong. Please refer from spewing your opinion which is backed with negative experience.
Elitism right here.
Every level is relevant pal.
Get out of here with your condescending tone.
If in the hands of the best players in the world evoker loses on mana to a Holy Paladin (in cleave mirrors) what does that say about pres mana
Lmao remind me again how many Hpals are at the top of the ladder.
Now I know you’re joking when comparing paladin mana to prevoker.
No one is saying they’re better than you for being better @ the game than you.
But if i’ve been a software engineer for 15 years and you watched 4 youtube videos about vanilla javascript
Do you think you are justified in having a conversation about who knows more about what or
Holy Paladin has a very real case for the best healer in the game at the moment.
Like do you play WoW / watch anyone play it or do you just randomly say things for no reason
Hpal vs Hpal in AWC finals I mean must be a really bad spec
So we all imagined Cdew on pres losing to Dizl on mana like 5-6 times last night I guess
I don’t have aimless debates with people that think they are better software devs than others. It’s kind of a joke.
Some will start rambling about algorithms and bigO, others want you to know every rando JS framework, and others think the difference between TCP/UDP must be known by everyone or they’re not “legit”.
Players are playing at all levels of the ladder. This is a game…and it isn’t chess.
The whole point should be to have a fun game, not recreate a perfectly balanced system at all layers of the ladder.
You’re never going to balance fun and sweat lords.
JS is so 2022, get on the TS hype train 
Remind me again how frequently cdew plays his paladin and how great HPal is.
Even he hates it.
TS is PoG we agree on that
Look man i’m not trying to flame you or get in to some weird epeen war with you
But you’re like injecting an opinion about something without knowing anything on the subject you presume to discuss.
Why you’re so hard on just arbitrarily disagreeing when it’s been proven at the highest level and my own personal experience that evoker mana is perfectly fine is like I dont’ get it.
Hpal is one of the best healers in the game right now absolutely 100%
Dizl won on mana against a pres evoker 5-6 times last night Q’ing melee mirrors. It wasn’t a one time thing, it was consistently the entire night.
If Hpal has the worst mana in the game but outmana’s evoker consistently would you say evoker has S tier mana or it’s mana balance is ok
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The frequency with how often Cdew plays paladin has nothing to do with how good paladin is. It’s admittedly one of his weaker healers
Regardless he played one of his weaker healers (and one he didn’t practice with or prepare for playing at all because they didn’t realize until last minute it was good) in almost every AWC game.
The game is so fast at the moment that reckoning judgements are about the only way you can reliably respond to damage. Couple this with sac and bop, and how deadly hoj rep / blind is and suddenly Hpal is a top tier healer.
Things changes very quickly in this game and it’s really common for players to not realize how good certain specs are until mid way through a season.
You are comparing a single person playing a specific comp to another specific person playing a specific comp, ignoring that evoker has no dispel for DK diseases other than caut and that paladin can dispel diseases, and presenting that as a counterargument? I’m not even sure if you are trolling or not lol
sample group: check
conclusion: check
#imscientist
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Like I already knew you had negative XP and knew nothing about the game
But this statement solidified it
Dispeling DK diseases other than unholy blight accomplishes literally nothing
Their overall healing was identical every game, it’s not like Dizl was doing less healing because he was dispeling diseases that are instantly reapplied
Same overall throughput, pres losing on mana to Hpal consistently.
Everyone agrees that Hpal has the worst mana in the game
But wins on mana while matching overall throughput
Can your brain do this math or is it stuck in 1400 land
There are plenty of things you can point to with evoker and make the argument that they need to be changed but their mana ain’t it.
You’re literally Q’ing @ 1400 with a 50% win rate. No flame but I wouldn’t say that your experience of what evoker mana is like really has any relevance once you’re playing the game against people that have keyboards.
I oom plenty playing evoker against comps that have actual pressure.
are you rating shaming people now?
why the sweat
No flame on rating ever
But when you make proclamations about the quality of a spec when your sample size exists exclusively against people that have either never played the video game before or are senior citizens then yeah i’m gonna tell you that you don’t really have any clue what you’re actually talking about.
Complaining about evoker mana being too good is objectively false. Evoker mana is fine when pressed to actually press healing globals and you can’t spam disintegrate for energy loop value.
If you can go an entire game throwing away essence and essence breaks on disintegartes and aren’t being locked on them then you’re playing against people that are lost offensively.