Overwhelmingly a melee player here when it comes to DPS but im a Resto Druid main so it’s not as if a caster playstyle is completely lost on me.
Im really enjoying Preservation, so much so I would say my enjoyment of it rivals my Resto Druid. I’ve leveled 60-69 entirely through dungeon healing as Preservation.
And then I tried out Devastation. Im not exaggerating at all when I say of all the specs i’ve tried of every caster throughout the years, Devastation may take the cake as the worst feeling caster spec i’ve played ever. Funnily enough, I think the AoE DPS is smooth and works fine, but good lord the single-target feels so awful I understand now why they seem so populous in leveling content yet so sparse in endgame content.
For me, the pain point is Living Flame. The kit revolves so heavily around it but I hate having to press this button. Every build i’ve seen emphasizes taking Engulfing Blaze, giving it a painfully long 2.3s cast time on my Evoker. With so much of the kit seemingly revolving around this ability I can’t see any way to phase it out completely.
I dislike Devastation to the point im probably gonna put my Evoker on the shelf. I enjoy Preservation but outside of instanced content I am not going to be in my healer spec and if Devastation is my only choice i’d rather not play Evoker at all.
Just wanted to give my newbie Evoker feedback on the class.
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Hmm, well, I’m doing great with my devoker, and can handle things quite well.
I have alao seen several videos on prevoker combat builds and they seem to look likenthey are effective. I have yet to try it but will once I feel the need for doing something different, but as is, I’m happy doing dps.
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I came from playing MM. Every day I feel better about that decision.
I think it’s fun. It’s definitely a pure caster in the sense that you need to deal with long cast times and position carefully, but things get smoother when you get more haste. The majority of your living flame casts will be instant procs as well.
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If they would increase the yard range of spell cast from 25 yards to what mages or warlocks have which i believe is a 40yrd range the class would feel so much better especially in pvp.
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you have done 0 mythic plus dungeons and havent killed a single raid boss. not sure what you mean by doing great but OP is likely not talking about world quests or pet battles or afking in valdrakken, which is about the only things you can claim to be ‘great’ at on devoker
I’m not doing great and I AM a raider and mythic + runner. I feel your pain and understand it.
When Evoker was first launched, the raid guides all pointed towards a Living Flame build that would essentially work like a Pyroblast proc where you would never have to use a long cast unless it was to heal yourself or another in an emergency, or you just had no essence to cast Disintegrate, and those procs would help fill your disintegrate gaps and would also serve to either make your Fire Breath a longer DoT or make its cooldown shorter. This was the raid dps promise that we have now been able to achieve at level 70.
Unfortunately, Devastation is generally still underperforming in both Single Target and AoE and the number of points we are given with how the talent tree is designed only allow us to choose one or another and be depressingly weak no matter which route we commit to.
They have already announced buffs coming that will alter AoE playstyle and perhaps Single Target as well. Time will tell if it actually brings them to a level where groups are not understandably nervous about inviting an Evoker DPS to a raid or dungeon.
Evoker is a very fun class to play that I find to be the most engaging caster I’ve ever played, but it is frustratingly weak, not just in sustainable damage in our rotation but because of a lack of defensives (we have one) or DPS cooldowns (we have one) that would make them more competitive with other classes in end-game content.
I do love Evoker, but it’s not finished yet, or so it seems to me.
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Honestly you should just be getting carried by the evoker staff you were lucky to get. Feeling “Pain” when you have that. Lol what a joke.
Not true. I’m great at dying! I can do it pretty darn quickly too.
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I got that today from a pug. Regardless, one of the problems with evoker seems to be that everyone seems to expect you to have it and if you don’t then you’re not “complete.”
This low-key legendary should not ever be something that can be considered a make it or break it for a whole class/spec. It seems to be regarded as even more essential than tier. That’s bad class design.
No, evoker is definitely fine without it. Its just better with it. Like in shadowlands, warrior was fine before they got gavel, but was much better once they got it.
The problem is that nobody seems to be okay with being only “fine.” If they’re not on top, class is dead.
Evoker is fine.
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The stream of buffs coming seems to suggest otherwise.
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Personally I am really enjoying DEvoker (from a PvE perspective, I no longer have any desire to play PvP in WoW). I really like the damage output in m+, with 300-400k damage spikes on pulls, and I having a lot of fun with more ST focused raid fights. I really enjoy the goal of extending Dragonrage for as long as possible by clipping Disintegrate and firing off the empowered spells as quickly as possible. Aesthetically, I like how my wings light up and fire off the blue magic spells, and I like the satisfaction of lighting everything in front of me on fire.
There are things that I think we will get in the future that we need. Personally, I think Disintegrate and Living Flame need to be better worked for mobility. I think we should be able to cast hover and not break Disintegrate’s channel, however, I don’t know what kind of changes would need to take place to make that work and feel smooth. I don’t really like standing in one place and casting Living Flame in a single target fight as filler. Warlock’s didn’t like doing it with Shadowbolt, I totally get it, love to see this interaction change.
You can be fine and still get minor buffs or nerfs to bring you more towards the middle
I like Devastation. My biggest issue is that I dont like our toolkit for PVP purposes.
I like it in PVE plenty although I would like us to be a little bit tankier or get some Magic damage reduction or something…we are freaking dragons after all
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Sadly in pve other classes bring more damage along with more utility then we do. And what utility we do have is on such long cds.
I didn’t say I did either. I was just stating that I handle tough mobs well solo and can burn down even several elites rather easily especially with CD’s. It isn’t always 100%, especially if you don’t know what the mobs can do, such as long stuns from several can turn it bad quickly.
oh. no you didnt state that, you just said you were doing ‘great’ on your devoker. thank you for specifying you meant for world quests and generic overworld stuff. that aligns more with what your equipped to speak about
You grasp the irony in questioning what someone is “equipped to speak about” while posting on a classic character right? Right?
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