legion was goatedddd, i hope they do legion again lmao.
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Okay, thatâs the answer I needed from yâall.
Dumber than rocks.
Just because youâre REALLY good at math, does NOT in ANY universe make 2+2=5.
They were MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. You both understand what that means right?
Given PERFECT play, with PERFECT damage it literally could not be killed.
Whatâs wrong with you people?
What if⌠the math was wrong? 
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Hereâs a hot takeâŚ
What if YOUâRE wrong?
People that are really great at math have existed forever, you going to claim that people circa 2005 were worse at math than people in 2025? Big yikes.
Iâm suggesting that they were missing a part of the equation in 2005, I donât know why youâre so offended by this suggestion.
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Youâre suggesting, that the solved math of a fight, that was proven mathematically impossible, might be missing part of the equation that just MAY prove YOUR point?
Lots of maybes in there
Not offended, itâs actually hilarious how stupid people are
Itâs more likely that you both are idiots than the math was wrong ONLY to prove you right, itâs actually quite insane.
TO think, I only used them as a hypothetical to show how crazy people can be, and you went down that road waving a flag the whole way - âThis is me!!!â
How do you know the math was correct? Did you check it yourself? You realize it was done using dps numbers from 2005, numbers that people were absolutely blowing away in Classic?
Youâre throwing around tons of insults and typing in all caps. Maybe take a step back and ask yourself why youâre so worked up about this.
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Actually, it was done using numbers for the boss to die. Had nothing to do with âmetersâ or anything people are capable of in 2005.
You understand the difference right?
Damage able to be done
healing able to be done with mana given
damage going out to raid
are players dead
is the boss dead
These are all math problems that they were able to solve, and the answer to âis the boss deadâ was ânoâ
Itâs actually not an insult to suggest someone is stupid for suggesting that âthe math is WrOnGâ that you canât prove either.
Using caps is done for emphasis, you understand this as well, right?
Are okay? Need a pillow?
The conclusion that those numbers could not be reached was based upon 2005 dps numbers.
Can you prove the math was correct? Have you even looked at it? Or are you just parroting?
Youâre calling us idiots because youâre mad that Câthun was probably not actually mathematically impossible. Youâre an insulting prick.
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It may come off that way when you say stupid things like âIt proves my point IF the math was wrong, that I canât prove but am only saying to show that I could be right about this thingâ
Can you prove it isnât?
Wild statement tbh.
Saw that coming btw
Cmon, compile that proof.
What youâre going to find is that if the fight wasnât bugged, it mightâve been perfectly tuned.
Hence it was impossible.
GL on Spine. lmao
Youâre slinging insults to defend math you havenât even looked at yourself.
Basically, over the course of every 60 second period, the encounter requires your raid to do roughly 230k damage in order to keep up with the various spawns. Now, a 40-man raid can certainly accomplish that on a single target. But when some people are in CâThunâs stomach, and the targets of that DPS are spread throughout the room, and when clustering at all (i.e., to melee burn down a specific tentacle) means that you get destroyed by a spawning tentacle or a jumping eye beam, the end result is simply impossible.
I would love for someone to prove me wrong.
This is what youâre taking as gospel right now lmao thereâs not even any math to check, itâs literally just his opinion that a raid canât keep up with the spawns in P2. I guarantee you that this version of Câthun would have died day 1 in Classic. And you can continue to spew insults if you want. Iâm not that invested, I have no idea why you are.
The boss isnât hard, I donât know what you want me to say.
It will be easy 
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Oh good, more guesswork.
LIke I said, GL on H spine, looking forward to your first week logs, with your 12 stacked Leg staff mages. lmao
If itâs so easy, donât class stack.
Gonna ignore at this point. Cya 
My guess work is as good as yours. You have nothing to support your opinion except some other guyâs opinion from 18 years ago 
We donât
Thank god, youâre insanely toxic. Should be getting a ban for your lack of civility.
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Why do you feed obvious trolls? There is an Ignore feature.
Spine is going to suck either way. Top 5 worst boss fights ever designed. I get what they were going for, but the tech at the time just wasnât there for them to execute it and the whole thing should have been scrapped.
Spine is nerfed by 4.3.2. So thats that.
The original CâThun fight was mathematically proven to be impossible. It wasnât a matter of opinion, but a fact established through mathematical proof.
That is not the case with the spine fight. The fight is poorly designed, but it should not be released in a nerfed version since our player base is much better than it was 15 years ago. Most people have finally upgraded from playing on toasters and are no longer enjoying the thrill of single-digit FPS.
Speaking as someone in a casual dad guild that is only just now reliably progging normal Rag, Iâll be happy to have post nerf Spine simply because I donât want to spend weeks progging one of the most boring fights ever designed in this game
DS also gets an ICC style weekly buff/nerf to the content that I would imagine starts rolling out in a week or two, maybe a month, after the content drops. So the whole thing is going to be cooked in hot grease by anyone that is trying to push at all.
The conclusion that the fight was âmathematically impossibleâ was made based on one guyâs understanding of how much dps people were capable of doing in 2005. It was just a âprove me wrongâ post on the forums. Do you really trust Ion Hazzikostas that much? People were doing numbers in Classic that no one would have conceived of back then.
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