As the title states, this has become a legitimate problem in random epic BGs. Groups like Ruin have been using discord to queue several 5-man groups at the same time and all queue into the same BG, they are circumventing the 5-man only premade rule by organizing in discord and the abuse of this has prevalent since at least WoD. The “5-man only” rule was put in place specifically for this reason and not only are groups like this exploiting it but they are streaming it. If this sort of play is so desirable there should be a rated bracket for it, but using an exploit and discord is absolutely unfair for casual random BGs. To be clear this isn’t a shot at Ruin specifically as horde groups have been doing it too. It is equally unfair and unfun and should be stopped.
Unfortunately Blizzard would be as bad at moderating this as they are with bots.
This has been the way since Vanilla WoW.
I’m not sure punishing people for grouping up is a good idea in PvP 
they made the 5-man rule specifically because people were doing this in vanilla, and its being exploited so people can keep doing it
As horrible as Ruin is, it’s pretty much the only Alliance organization even attempting to challenge Horde dominance so I’m gonna have to stick to party lines here, chief.
do what they do
fight fire with fire
Not really true. I follow the “main” RUIN leader’s twitch stream and whenever I tune into his livestream he seems to be playing other games?? 
Seems like he barely even plays WoW nowadays lol
The “big” epic BG premades you might encounter nightly…
Alliance
- Shadows of Death (this is the main one fielding premades)
- RUIN (infrequent/rare)
- Ramulus (partial premader? not sure if this guy is his own brand of premade or a member of a bigger community)
Horde
- Savage Alliance Slayers (by far the MOST common/most active per night)
- Torturekilla’s premade (semi-common)
- Warsong Battalion (uncommon appearances here and there)
Inactive
- Hydra (haven’t seen them appear in forever)
- Cryptid’s League (same)
It is circumvention of the group size limitation. If they wanted raids queuing then they’d just let people queue in their stack of 25-40, but they don’t. 
Not that it stops them.
There is its called RBGs, but if someone have friends and wanna do some bgs i dont think they should be punished for it lmao
I don’t aspire to this level of pvp; it’s the modern day equivalent to farming lowbies in starter zones. I would like to see fair parameters set on both sides for pvp.
A fully organized 40 man group in a discord against a random put together group is absolutely unfair. Don’t pretend like it’s anything otherwise.
in other words exploiting
No you cant have 40 man, you can only have 5 man pre made max
Yes. 
reread my original post
and its all have to due with rng for it to work also
if you are in favor of any of these groups and justify them destroying either factions you are apart of the problem.
This is false. I know of several alliance premade comms that do exactly what Ruin does. I could probably drop about 5-6 alliance premade lead names right here if it wasn’t against forum ToS.
so join them? It’s not really a big deal. sounds like you got roflstomped and are upset about it.
But but but…that would require organization and talking to people. And we would probably have to do objectives. And i cant camp that one noob over and over to make myself feel better. Instead im getting the treatment i want to put onto others.
#nohypocricy