Prediction: In 9.0 High Elves Leave the Alliance (Again!)

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

That’s exactly the point: “wait, what?”

In essence, Alleria studied the void for centuries, learning to master it. The story is okay-ish until that point. Then it goes downhill.

By coincidence, Alleria finds a group of elves no one ever heard of before that are also studying the Void in a rock in space. An ethereal comes out of nowhere and springs a trap. The elves are transformed.

And then, despite not existing any canon source explaining it, this tiny group of mages and warlocks suddenly have whole squads of rangers, warriors, rogues (and supposedly monks, thought there’s not a single velf monk NPC anywhere). Aparently, the Void is so attractive that blood elves are faction-changing in droves to become pale-skinned aberrations. But that’s a guess, since nothing was explained anywhere.

Void elves are a playable race just because the devs willed them into existance. The lore to support it was made up on the spot and never fleshed out in any way.

[Stompypotato-durotan (Stompypotato)]

Wow, it is worse than my assumption from a far. Thank you for the insight.

[Carissaria-aggramar]

I’m betting Alleria will do something utterly insane, like blow up the Sunwell or something, after Arator dies and her last fetter is cut away

The the blood elves die. Fine by me.

Void elves are a playable race just because the devs willed them into existance

The whole game is races willed into existence by the devs…

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

The whole game is races willed into existence by the devs…

Almost all of them had some effort to be fleshed out in lore before becoming playable, thought. There’s one glaring exception.

Void elves didn’t even had their own reputation as a requirement to be unlocked. How low is that effort?

[Carissaria-aggramar]

Void elves didn’t even had their own reputation as a requirement to be unlocked. How low is that effort?

Pretty low tbh. We never saw them until Alleria but at this point I don’t mind them

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Pretty low tbh. We never saw them until Alleria but at this point I don’t mind them

I do mind, because they took the place of something I cared a lot about. The least Blizzard should have done was to flesh them out properly. It’s been a year since their introduction and we don’t even have the most basic answers about them as a race. Heck, they don’t even feel like a race.

[Carissaria-aggramar]

because they took the place of something I cared a lot about.

You wanted the broken? Those are def more fleshed out.

They put void elves for the high elf complainers though

Maybe one day we will get the broken tho

It’s been a year since their introduction and we don’t even have the most basic answers about them as a race. Heck, they don’t even feel like a race.

That is true, yeah. They should flesh out the velves at this point

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

Well Void Elves are here now, can’t do anything about that. Except to develop their story more, and I think the best way of doing that is for Blizzard to continue what they are doing now and take it even further by fully phasing out the High Elves for Void Elves.

They are so far Good Compromises, I did a bit of their story as I mentioned before but Blizz surprisingly didn’t make them Evil and maybe a bit more noble from what I can tell for a reason, because they were there to take over.

Good thing there is literally nothing that can do that or to suggest that Alleria would do anything.

Even if the Void Elves did try anything (Which is about as likely as the Orcs deciding goblins should not be

Fair Point, but their leader does mention bringing silvermoon back for the Alliance and I doubt they will do that peacefully, could also be a good time to make Alliance actually do something a bit more darker like they have always been asking for.

Wow. Like 5 pandaren showed up.

That’s 5 more Pandaren on the Frontlines (listen to some of the World Quest Dialogue) than there are High Elves, I’m not seeing any High Elves Actively Fighting for the Alliance since BFA started.

the Alliance Pandaren leader even bothered going to war planning area

Meanwhile the Silver Covenant that fought two Wars last Xpac is recovering.

Poor Silver-Covenant, it’s not like Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Silvermoon, etc. lost plenty in those two wars neither.

Where is Sunwalker Dezco? Guess the Sunwalkers left the Horde.

Where are the Warsong Clan? The Shattered Hand Clan Rogues? Where are the Magesters?

Those aren’t Races lol

It’s almost like the focus is on the Kul Tiran and Zandalari stories.

True, but there is also a war story, and for the war story nearly every Alliance race has at least sent a named commander or a representative to lead alliance troops, or help in any way significant to the story.

Wildhammer Dwarves despite not being playable even bothered sending one named representative who took part in most of the patch 8.0 war story.

I guess Gnomish and Goblin Technicians aren’t involved in direct combat don’t count in your mind either?

Mecatork literally fights on dazar’alor, and you also help Gallywix hunt down the Gnome leader.

and getting bombed and handing out quests? that’s a description fit for a messenger, not a fighter. I doubt the High Elves even want anything to do with the war after legion and are just sticking around because of old promises thus why they still put up Shields, and send out messages for quests, watch as not a single one of those shield mages take part in the actual fighting, stormwind even had to replace the iconic wc3 high elven priests for human ones.

no plans in the near term

Key word here, no plans in the near term means there are no plans to include them whatsoever! they are just trying to be nice. They know you guys want it but it just can’t happen.

Funny that High Elves are still showing up despite the Void Elves supposedly replacing them.

Give me a named one, give me a High Elf Dominant camp somewhere, give me a commander or an army who showed up since the war started, these were things that were present in Legion, WOTLK, MOP etc. places where high elves were relevant, but ever since Void Elves Became a thing. I haven’t seen a single one on the map.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

Fair Point, but their leader does mention bringing silvermoon back for the Alliance and I doubt they will do that peacefully, could also be a good time to make Alliance actually do something a bit more darker like they have always been asking for.

The leader of the Silver Covenant has the same idea fyi.

Seems they have a mutual goal.

Also the Alliances darkest moment was with the Silver Covenant so I don’t think the High Elves would not be involved in that fight.

Poor Silver-Covenant, it’s not like Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Silvermoon, etc. lost plenty in those two wars neither.

Those aremies are much larger so the point is moot.

Also Dalaran contributed the most effort to the war with the Legion and with that being their home base it would make sense to help everyone recuperate.

Those aren’t Races lol

So? Them now being front and center doesn’t mean they left or aren’t involved.

True, but there is also a war story, and for the war story nearly every Alliance race has at least sent a named commander or a representative to lead alliance troops, or help in any way significant to the story.

And there are High Elves helping as part of the 7th Legion. Majorly important roles in fact.

Wildhammer Dwarves despite not being playable even bothered sending one named representative who took part in most of the patch 8.0 war story.

There are only 5 followers atm. You can’t include everyone.

Mecatork literally fights on dazar’alor, and you also help Gallywix hunt down the Gnome leader.

Those aren’t technissions.

and getting bombed and handing out quests? that’s a description fit for a messenger, not a fighter. I doubt the High Elves even want anything to do with the war after legion and are just sticking around because of old promises thus why they still put up Shields, and send out messages for quests, watch as not a single one of those shield mages take part in the actual fighting, stormwind even had to replace the iconic wc3 high elven priests for human ones.

This is mostly made up assumptions and thus not worth arguing with.

Key word here, no plans in the near term means there are no plans to include them whatsoever! they are just trying to be nice. They know you guys want it but it just can’t happen.

Not it doesn’t. That’s a huge stretch on reality.

Give me a named one, give me a High Elf Dominant camp somewhere, give me a commander or an army who showed up since the war started, these were things that were present in Legion, WOTLK, MOP etc. places where high elves were relevant , but ever since Void Elves Became a thing. I haven’t seen a single one on the map.

The High Elves are mixed in with the 7th Legion this Xpac. So 7th Legion stuff.

Give me a named Void Elf besides Umbric or any Void Elf camps.

Your Highly Specific criteria don’t seem to fit.

If High Elves where replaced then why are any of them still showing up in key roles? Especially with Void Elves in desperate need of being shown to do something besides Portal Jockeys or Dino Necromancers.

It’s been a year and Void Elves still are an empty race.

If Void Elves where a replacement for High Elves as you keep claiming then why do they show up at all?

Or maybe the idea of Void Elves replacing High Elves was made up in the first place and they have nothing to do with each other other than pointy ears.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Well Void Elves are here now, can’t do anything about that. Except to develop their story more, and I think the best way of doing that is for Blizzard to continue what they are doing now and take it even further by fully phasing out the High Elves for Void Elves.

They are so far Good Compromises, I did a bit of their story as I mentioned before but Blizz surprisingly didn’t make them Evil and maybe a bit more noble from what I can tell for a reason, because they were there to take over.

No, they are not a good compromise. A good compromise would come with a good story, fleshed out lore and themes that the high elf fans could identify with. All the void elves have is the model, nothing else.

What Blizzard can do is the most basic thing that it should have done months ago: flesh out the void elves and try to make them interesting. It would be a nice start to have more than just one named NPC, give them a clear narrative direction and explain the basics of void elf society (like the most basic question of all: can they create more of themselves?).

Taking the high elves and turning them into void elves, at this point, would just be another slap in the face.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

The leader of the Silver Covenant has the same idea fyi.

and where is he this expac? when the time is right to do it?

Those aremies are much larger so the point is moot.

Also Dalaran contributed the most effort to the war with the Legion and with that being their home base it would make sense to help everyone recuperate.

Fine Gnomeregaan, we still see them setting up camps having 2 named characters contributing to the war effort for both the Alliance Story, and the Battle for Dazar’alor, you literally fight side by side with either.

And there are High Elves helping as part of the 7th Legion. Majorly important roles in fact.

Shield Holders, Taxi’s, Messengers I already mentioned this before where are the ones fighting the horde directly? what are they doing intern jobs now? they did more than this before BFA came out.

Those aren’t technissions.

but they are commanders for this war, and lead alliance forces directly against the horde.

This is mostly made up assumptions and thus not worth arguing with.

Nice, okay show me one high elf that fights against the horde in Zandalar, Kul’tiras, or any of the warfronts ones who are doing it directly for the Alliance, and attacking other military targets, High elves that aren’t holding up shields, sending messages, going on expeditions to mine azerite or teleporting others etc.

Not it doesn’t. That’s a huge stretch on reality.

Okay buddy, if you ask them this again their response will always be maybe later because they know how big of a meltdown you people will have considering last time they said nah.

Give me a named Void Elf besides Umbric or any Void Elf camps.

Nice, love how you selected the only named void elf aside from Alleria who exists, meanwhile high elves have many that don’t do anything important this expansion.

Void Elf Camp’s? south of Dazar’alor on the coast you see them piling up there once you continue the campaign and once umbric volunteers to have the void elves help the alliance, there is also one camp in Nazmir is at least being run by void elf, that you need to unlock.

key roles

Key Roles? How? High Elves don’t even have any dialogue nor interactions with other characters this expac aside from Vereesa crying about Sylvanas.

It’s been a year and Void Elves still are an empty race.

lol, I have no opinions on how the void elves are written but I do know they are the replacements.

If Void Elves where a replacement for High Elves as you keep claiming then why do they show up at all?

They Show up but do nothing important, okay if the High Elves have any of their existing heroes rising up doing the same thing Shandris, the Wildhammer dwarf Guy, even the thing that Telamon guy does leading alliance forces and doing “heroic things” for their faction then I will admit that I am wrong.

No, they are not a good compromise. A good compromise would come with a good story, fleshed out lore and themes that the high elf fans could identify with. All the void elves have is the model, nothing else.

What Blizzard can do is the most basic thing that it should have done months ago: flesh out the void elves and try to make them interesting. It would be a nice start to have more than just one named NPC, give them a clear narrative direction and explain the basics of void elf society (like the most basic question of all: can they create more of themselves?).

Taking the high elves and turning them into void elves, at this point, would just be another slap in the face.

Uhh that’s what I meant, The Personality of the Void Elves are far from conniving, or being mostrous etc. they are surprisingly more “noble” than people expect (at least for their current faction) according to umbric outside of the tentacles Umbric says “We Follow the Alliance because we believe in it’s values, not because we wanted to thank alleria” or something along those lines. They are a bit similar to high elves in personality.

Development will come i’m sure of it, I can see blizzard taking steps to fleshing out their society more with the war story, how other races react to them, etc.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

and where is he this expac? when the time is right to do it?

When the Alliance attacks Silvermoon.

And you do know they heck who the Leader of the Silver Covenant is right?

Fine Gnomeregaan, we still see them setting up camps having 2 named characters contributing to the war effort for both the Alliance Story, and the Battle for Dazar’alor, you literally fight side by side with either.

Wow. 2.

Shield Holders, Taxi’s, Messengers I already mentioned this before where are the ones fighting the horde directly? what are they doing intern jobs now? they did more than this before BFA came out.

It’s almost like you don’t know how an army works.

And do you really think being shot at directly by Horde cannons while maintaining the shields doesn’t count as being in combat?

but they are commanders for this war, and lead alliance forces directly against the horde.

And that’s not what we’re talking about.

We are talking about people who are behind the front lines who fix the dang cannons and guns. Who for some reason you don’t count as people part of the effort by your weird standards.

Nice, okay show me one high elf that fights against the horde in Zandalar, Kul’tiras, or any of the warfronts ones who are doing it directly for the Alliance, and attacking other military targets, High elves that aren’t holding up shields, sending messages, going on expeditions to mine azerite or teleporting others etc.

And that matters why? You really think armies are just charge in and fight?

Show me why their efforts don’t matter.

Okay buddy, if you ask them this again their response will always be maybe later because they know how big of a meltdown you people will have considering last time they said nah.

Still a made up assumption that has no foundation in reality.

Nice, love how you selected the only named void elf aside from Alleria who exists,

Alleria isn’t a Void Elf.

And if Void Elves where so important why is there only one named one? And if they are in such desperate need of characters why would High Elves still be shown if they supposedly replaced them?

Starting to get the picture.

meanwhile high elves have many that don’t do anything important this expansion.

The one responsible for getting you to the Arathi Warfront and dictating your actions there as well as the ones keeping the ship from being blown up aren’t important? What?

Void Elf Camp’s? south of Dazar’alor on the coast you see them piling up there once you continue the campaign and once umbric volunteers to have the void elves help the alliance,

That’s not a camp.

there is also one camp in Nazmir is at least being run by void elf, that you need to unlock.

So one shows up in a camp and suddenly it’s an important Void Elf camp but a High Elf is the Alliance quest giver in Arathi and she’s not important?

Key Roles? How? High Elves don’t even have any dialogue nor interactions with other characters this expac aside from Vereesa crying about Sylvanas.

See above.

lol, I have no opinions on how the void elves are written but I do know they are the replacements.

According to what evidence? The fact that they haven’t gotten much lore or the fact that High Elves are still showing up?

Starting to look like the whole idea of them being replacements was made up.

They Show up but do nothing important,

Void Elves or High Elves?

okay if the High Elves have any of their existing heroes rising up doing the same thing Shandris, the Wildhammer dwarf Guy, even the thing that Telamon guy does leading alliance forces and doing “heroic things” for their faction then I will admit that I am wrong.

There are only 5 followers. You think that means that every race that doesn’t have a follower doesn’t count?

And you’ve been given examples. The Island Expeditions and THE Quest Giver in Arathi.

You just keep waving them off because they hurt your made up ideals.

Again, you have given no real evidence that Void Elves where intended as a replacement for High Elves other then your own wishful thinking.

If Void Elves where a replacement for High Elves then why are High Elves still showing up despite Void Elves desperately needing lore?

Why didn’t they just turn all the High Elves into Void Elves if they wanted to get rid of them.

Why did they make a High Elf a member of an Expedition Team if they did not count as a alliance group?

There is only one real conclusion that can be drawn by these questions. That Void Elves have little to do with High Elves other than being related.

And lastly one for you to ponder. If High Elves weren’t an important part of the Alliance and a contender for an Allied Race, why would you constantly be suggesting to get rid of them? Think on that one.

[Fliktarg-thrall (Fliktarg)]

f High Elves weren’t an important part of the Alliance and a contender for an Allied Race, why would you constantly be suggesting to get rid of them?

exactly. The fact antis fight so hard to keep them excluded shows that they know high elves are very likely to happen at some point in the future likely within the next couple expansions and they are afraid of that.

Not sure why they are afraid of high elves. I guess they had bad experiences growing up.