Precog was not enough (not joking)

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I’m anticipating people calling me a noob, a casual to try and invalidate this post;
but the people saying Boomy, and casters in general are OP
should honestly be asking themselves if they are letting us freecast.
Seriously, VoD and rewind your gameplay.

I am getting tunneled by double melee in solo,
and so is my 2.4k lock friend. Win 1 pt per game, then lose 60 for 2 rounds
cuz precog is worth nothing against double melee
a 1700 game feels sweatier than ever
and I hope conquest gear will temper the oneshotting meta
so that things like Boomkin actually perform better later down the line

and yes I am spamming starfall, I am kiting, I am juking.
I can def be playing much better, but the point still stands
casters always required literal precognition to make setups

If you wanna bash boomy,
I’ll testify the starsurge clone setup build indeed
takes more skill than Starfall spamming,
but a caster can’t even spam if they are cc’ed and 100-0’d through all their defensives.
Kite? only to be met with one of 20 mobility abilities instant-button melee have

Anyone who knows a bit about how wow classes work
knows that pressing an instant interrupt or a stun
is advatangeous to a spell or a hardcc with a cast time.
Melee are 123’ing multi-gladiators @ 1700 rating and saying casters are OP
on the forums so they can keep getting free ranks.

The problem is since WoD’s initial pruning
there has been a cooldown imbalance in the favour of non-casters.

Back to the queue, I guess… kek.
This season has been very interesting so far

EDIT: I know these are generalities,
but even with the nuances - think of how positioning defensively as a caster
sets up the melee to CC your healer easier.
If you’re on the backfoot against double melee swapping in shuffle,
there’s little you can do cuz you’ve lost the cooldown game
and positioning, while free 250k dps go on your healer.
Good luck peeling now

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Stopped reading

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It’s too early for this. My head hurts

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This post is essentially the equivalent of going to a university and asking students if they feel as if they’re persecuted in America, and they state they’re oppressed as they sip from a $10 latte, while holding a $1000 phone and attending higher education.

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does this guy really have a guild name based off his own name

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Respectfully, it sounds like you aren’t playing your class to the fullest.

There are a lot of melee players who are still trying to play last season’s game of trinketing aggro and pressing W from start to finish and being punished for it.

However, precog baseline ESPECIALLY on boomy with fast cast is undeniably a buff to the class and is more than enough.

Not harassment, I’d be happy to look at yours if you did this and try to help out with what mistakes you’re making.

I’m sure you are, but knowing when and where to stand when doing this is even more important than doing any of these things.

Yeah because inflation hasnt started yet.

Boomy can kite melee better than literally any spec in the game.

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Lmao I cannot believe you pretended to be some hot shot back during The Retmageddon and now we’ve got a wizard meta and you’re out here begging for more caster protection? Lol even. Git gud you muppet brained goof. A BALANCE DRUID EVEN :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

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I wish this point was highlighted more it’s pathetic how bad the majority of casters positioning is into both melee and casters because they’re only concerned with their dmg done

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I like how you’re using my usual arguments against me…
hey, at least I was able to convey something about the state of the world
these past few years :slight_smile:

I was expecting exactly what I’m getting with this post…
granted, it wasn’t written optimally,
and of course there are double melee games where I absolutely dominate
but most of the time looking at casters in shuffle it’s much more punishing if you move one step in the wrong place. Is it a git gud situation? Maybe, to an extent

but still melee complaining are def letting us freecast and exaggerating the value of precog while calling to nerf caster dmg, defensives AND utility all at once
lmao whose looking for free wins do you think?
The same people who got 3k for the first time last season
now a bit angry that casters have slightly better tools
and they can’t 123 without throwing a stun now

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idk starfall boomkin is a spec that has almost 0 actual casts though

not even being toxic or minimizing your experience, if you moonfire then spend on starfall and only cast with owlkin adept stacks you’ll do 60-70k sustained dps and you should almost never get kicked on clone even while being trained unless ur getting prekicked

juking the 0.2 second clone just gives you blood lust for your already 70k passive dps anyways

i know you’re telling yourself that anyone telling you this is just toxic or that they don’t know what they’re talking about, but this genuinely is extreme player error

you should take nasrajin up on the vod review he’s an INSANE moonkin and it doesn’t sound like he’s experiencing any of the things you are

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Yes he’s a confirmed clown.

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Someone stated it perfectly recently…

Bad casters lose to bad melee. Good melee lose to good casters.

Also, stop formatting your posts so oddly. It’s like talking to an emotionally disturbed persons.

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While you are relatively right, and I am not denying what you’re saying
although technically I am top 3% historically
and top 0.3% being elitist here on the forums doesn’t mean much to my gameplay,
I’m still considering the mediocre experience
and how slanted it is for casters having to do a lot more work than melee in awareness and tracking cooldowns etc, being punished for positioning and bad cd usage where there’s no coms in solo as well… you actually have to be aware.

For reference casually hit duelist last season with the starsurge build
but this season it hasn’t been working for me. I hit 1.8k week 1 and started losing
Then I hit the forums and was actually confused, switched to Starfall
and of course it’s slightly better but still
I don’t think the “casters are OP rn” narrative is at all accurate in the average rated lobby
Have you seen a caster in a melee lobby, and vice versa?

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Depends on how you play it. You still need to cast to get into eclipse or use your fast clone procs/incarn to do so which is a fair tradeoff.

I think the starfall build is absurdly degenerate, though, especially with stellar inspiration (you can just mf/sf spam for all your star sauce). I think one of the best nerfs for pvp would be a reduction in starfall damage as well as ap reduction on mf/sf so you need to cast.

If youre playing the st build for better goes and burst damage you DO need to cast or have more time between your goes or you’ll only have 1-2 surges in a go instead of 3-4.

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That’s a funny way to say you’re a washed up literal boomer.

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I went 4-2 in a triple melee (also largely unkiteable lobby) yesterday without precog

Bad melee are abundant

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Makes no sense

This is every spec/role

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no you’re right sorry to clarify i’m aiming specifically at starfall build with those comments

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I am having these lobbies too, but opposite results more so in the past couple of days.
Idk, I am genuinely hoping conquest gear scales back the oneshot meta.
You can do everything right, be in a cooldown advantage, be pumping
and still get oneshot randomly

I am aware that I am not withoug major issues in my gameplay,
mispositioning and sometimes stress-kiting when I get low

but I still find the proportion of “nerf every aspect of caster specs” posts
to be extremely unwarranted given what’s actually happening in the game rn.
Again, maybe I indeed know nothing and if I were a 3k caster I would make quick work of all the melee… I sometimes do but seeing a pally/warr/dh x2 charging and stunning you or the healer repeatedly and using all your tools to make 0 difference doesn’t seem particularly balanced to me. Hopefully I’m wrong and as I improve I’ll have these issues less.

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you’re going to brush this off but just a tip
it’s never random, there was tells, and you could have done something differently 9/10 times

not justifying them but even the biggest offenders (enhance/sub ect) all have actual on global abilities with buffs they’re using prior to those windows even though they’re extremely unfair

this season i find myself looking a lot less at the death log going “WHAT?” than last or even most of the SL seasons

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