When I was in the military, the first week of boot camp/basic training was the “rainbow flight.” Everyone showed up in all different types of clothes (often not the nicest stuff you owned) and it was an explosion of mismatched color. Then, BAM. BDUs. Everyone looked the same.
Both have their appeal I guess, and I’m mog addicted.
The same could be argued about mounts, and even gear. The game is perfectly playable with only the most basic gear, so surely players don’t need better armor and weapons, right? It just makes some things easier, but the game can be played without it.
In which case it respawns and you wait . So FALSE
Same as before FALSE.
They are not relevant for current content. so FALSE Objectively so but please try again.
No one worth mentioning. You perhaps, but again no one worth mentioning.
So FALSE.
And as you have just demonstrated for everyone on this thread you had no actual argument that could not be dismissed for not bringing enough evidence to the table to merit discussion.
I disagree. What you are doing is very far from inciting discussion. It is closer to inciting unrest on the forums which as we all know is a violation of the forum code of conduct. You ask for evidence but will not (or cannot) reveal why you believe your conduct or playstyle should supersede other players playstyle. Until YOU can satisfactorily answer that no one here, myself included, will entertain your requests because those of us who lose something due to a decision by the developers are owed an answer to that fundamental question first. You as someone who either doesn’t care or advocates for a negation of an ability owe those who will have that feature diminished by that action an answer before you get to cross examine.
If this is true then you should find some other bear to poke.
not sure if this was said already but I think they should take a page from ff14 flying. make it so you have to do all the story quests in a given area and then you can fly there, so not only will it get people to go around the map on the ground, but it incentivizes doing every quest and you won’t have to wait for a patch to fly
Only in your context. No one else’s here because the context we were ORIGINALLY dealing with was the OP who and I quote:
speaking of Ion Hazzikostas and Alex Afrasiabi. and then goes on to say and I quote:
Which anyone who knows how to read and to comprehend what is said implies management ABOVE Ion and Alex. Since the ONLY positions above Ion at Blizzard are at a VP or C level it stands to reason that those positions have a FIDUCIARY DUTY to the SHAREHOLDERS to represent potential downside and FAILURE to do so as was my argument before and still remains that Upper Management in that context DID step in and tell Ion and Alex what you are doing is going to cost the IP money and customer good will and so you had better have a rethink on the whole No Flying thing. They did and came up with a plan to give the WoD players flight (at the cost of a raid tier) and at the same time fulfill their empty self esteem cups by getting a little backatcha a little spitefulness for their wounded pride at not being able to implement no flying in the future and thats where we are at and they called it Pathfinder and then doubled down on that with Pathfinder Part 2 in Legion and BfA.
Nono, you’re even more wrong now than you were before. You absolutely have to compete for all the things i stated and you admitted it in your attempted rebuttals. I’m sorry you’re struggling with cognitive things but maybe as you get older your critical thinking skills will improve. Keep at it! 
Get rid of mounts altogether and do away with all flight points and then we’ll talk. Classic has both. I used to play MMOs without either and I’ll never do away with flying now. Put your feet where your moth is and dump the ground mounts completely and I might take you seriously.
and it only took them 2 weeks to reverse that flying thing. Just two weeks for them to announce that they’d changed their minds. That’s how many people quit the day they made that decision.
There’s nothing in the open world that is competitive. That is what actually sets the open world content apart from instanced content.
Quests are persistent, available to all, and are not limited in number. Quest givers respawn if killed by the opposing faction. Mobs are persistent, multi-tag, and respawn. Gathering nodes are persistent, multi-tap, and respawn.
Seventeen days. But iknowrite? And there were a lot before that may have quit for other reasons but during that 17 days the pot was stirred on the forums industry and wider media had taken notice and i dare say conference rooms in Irvine were mighty uncomfortable places to be during that time. Having your game become memeworthy in a negative manner due to the rank miscalculation by the ones responsible for the original stance…well lets just say the optics can’t be good.
Half the time when it came to faction rep rewards, by the time you were finally able to get that recipe/mount/transmog you had probably obtained something better and it really took the thunder out of finally having that (now inferior) thing. I learned this in TBC, and again in Wrath so…of course it didn’t work after being bitten twice.
As for Flying…I have never once completed Pathfinder. This in spite of my best efforts to. The sad thing about that is I already wanted to pick through and explore every area and grind out loremaster between dungeons etc. But putting flight behind those things turned it from a fun little challenge to a painful chore.
It’s one thing if a player chooses to do a thing, it’s a whole other scenario when they feel bullied, coerced, or cajoled into doing a thing. Sometimes I really pine for the days when the game’s designers seemed to understand this, and left us to our own devices with regard to what we engaged in.
This is exactly what I did as well. I completed Pathfinder during Warlords. But when Legion rolled around, I decided I wasn’t going to do Pathfinder on simple principle. I didn’t like having my game play dictated to me. I’m not adverse to grinding out content, I have Loremaster on more than one character. But players should be able to play content that appeals to them without feeling like it’s forced or a set of chores.
Exactly and it boggles my mind why they don’t.
My question is why have the removed all the other immersion aspects of the game if immersion is so important?
That’s why the immersion aspect of the Pathfinder argument rings hollow to me.
Of all the things that create immersion and community… not-flying is pretty low on that list imo.
Look, I get the point that you’re making. And I have already addressed the possibility I was wrong. However, you must not pay attention around here if you think everyone that types that way is speaking strictly of Ion/Alex. This is GD. A lot of people here that type things like that are referring directly to the devs, because they have some misunderstanding that the devs actually have control over the content.
I understand your view and as I have previously said, if the OP was actually speaking in that context then you are right. But I think you understand my view at this point and are just trying to be pedantic.
Either way the argument is over. Neither one of us is saying anything new.
Being able to skip the entire world is pretty immersion breaking
Except flying doesn’t skip the world. Flying gets you to content.