The idea that someone else’s actions invalidate yours is the same argument people use against same sex marriages.
Nobody can force you.
There’s still no reason to expect that Blizz would do a complete 180 and start requiring anything like a specific covenant, spec, or class to beat an encounter.
You don’t understand man. Every time Preach (Or any streamer for that matter) opens his mouth it’s a direct, personal attack against me, my family, and all the values I hold or will ever hold dear.
I already plan to do that. I’m picking Night Fae on this mage. I’d also consider Venthyr as I like the decadant grimdark theme they have going, plus Kael’thas is cool. But beyond that, I do not like Kyrian and Necrolord from an aesthetic and philosophical standpoint.
I haven’t looked at any of the numbers or full roster of abilites/soulbinds/etc for Night Fae, I just plan on picking them, having fun and doing the absolute best I can with it.
Please don’t with this. You’re better than that.
And there would be consequences for sticking to my guns, unless I had a tangible reason to say no.
Very heavily doubt they would do that. It would be like designing Horrific Visions in a way that only demon hunters could reasonably win a 5mask.
100% this. As it stands now, this is going to be the new meta.
So to those who dislike Covenant swapping because they think it will hurt their “meaningful choice”, the new meta of 4 mains is going to do the same.
Have fun with that I guess. I’ll be sticking with my singular mage though.
Congrats. You don’t care about it. That’s great. Then this thread doesn’t apply to you.
He’s a public figure with a large following who has a very vocal opinion about the systems.
People do the same stuff with celebrities, twitter personalities etc. “INSERT STAR HERE” said this, they don’t speak for me, they need to be cancelled etc.
So you didn’t even read my comment, then. Got it.
? We answer this before.
I don’t want the content to be balanced around. It is also a game, and a game having set rules and limits helps where I don’t feel the need to do it. I’m going to follow the path that makes my life easier, but if the game sets rules where I can’t do it. I will adjust around said rules.
A warlock does not ask for shadow word pain, but Im sure the extra dot would help right? Or as a priest i would love a tank pet like a warlock, but the game has set rules where I don’t get that option.
The point is, No middle ground to be had. I don’t want the game to be balanced around it. I don’t want to have to feel the need to do it, I switch talents around, that is enough.
There are some points I agree and some I disagree with you but nevertheless I find your post very interesting as a different perspective than my own.
About these two points:
While that’s true that’s only going to apply to the very high-end, at which point I think having to swap covenants is the smallest of the concerns, people have to swap specs or even classes at those levels.
Same thing for tuning, content is tuned so the very top end can clear it in about a couple of weeks usually, then from that point onwards we have a bunch of extra gear and even nerfs to the content to make it more approachable, even Mythic Raiders (unless at the very top) don’t need to worry about it that much.
The whole reason I think locked covenants is unfair is because I really don’t think anyone but the very highest-end would be really “forced” to swap, same way how playing a class that’s not necesairly meta doesn’t mean we NEED to re-roll. So really the only difference I see is that locking them limits everyone’s ability to play around with different stuff or to have more fun playing different builds or specs.
I think this would be indeed a good and acceptable solution, make it so sticking to your covenant grants you extra cosmetic rewards, even special “powers” in open world (could be cool to keep them competitive with hiper geared min/maxers in Wpvp for example).
I’m against it because I think it’s unhealthy for the game in the same way that I think having a vendor that sells full mythic raid gear for 1g per pierce is unhealthy for the game.
I think that being able to change around your build between boss pulls undermines what the whole point of having a build is if there are no trade offs for the choices that we make(much like how a mythic raid gear vendor would undermine the point of gear progression if we can just skip it all).
Granted I think 1 week is too long for switching around conduits, but I think the idea of some kind of limiter(either cooldown or gold cost) is good.
Does that “control how others play the game”? Probably, but I’d also argue that isn’t inherently bad. Games have rules, otherwise they’d not be games and rules are limits on what we can and can’t do.
I can’t decide I would rather quest as a Troll Hunter, run M+ Dungeons as an Orc Death Knight, PvP as a Night Elf Demon Hunter, and raid as a Human Paladin.
At least, not all on the same character.
and before somebody takes this to a stupid extreme: This doesn’t mean any and all limitations are good, but we’re clearly already accepting some. Not any and all limitations are bad, either.
That’s true, though I’m talking about more on the lower end of that. Imagine the outrage if Horrific Vision 5masks were tuned in a way that only a demon hunter could complete it. DHs already do have it far easier on that front, but the visions aren’t tuned so tightly that other classes can’t also do it.
Same as if there was a mythic boss that’d require everyone to be a Necrolord. Blizz wouldn’t tune it to that level, I think.
I know the extreme high-end tend to stack heavily on classes, and those players do in fact have multiple characters like that ready to go. But for most of us, I’d imagine, playing one character is a legitimate way to go.
Thank you. And yep, that’s the idea. Let people swap, but let us folks have a real reason to stick with one as well. I would be fine with that.
Yup.
Preach and I are on different ends of the spectrum. But legit…the mad lad has it right this time.
Systemlands is going to overwhelm players with systems bloat and Blizz can’t patch their way out of this mess.
Meaningful choice
But you also said:
So which is it?
It’s not meaningful if it’s only applying to me.
If we were able to swap classes, Blizz would be justified in letting only demon hunters 5mask on visions. Because we would all have the option to become demon hunters, won’t we? Even though I don’t like elves and find fel magic disgusting, I would be forced to embrace those for a time to do a 5mask in that scenario.
It applies to anyone. Everyone gets to make their own choices. And nobody but you can decide if your choice is meaningful to you or not.
Strawnan, nice to see you again!
We’ve been able to switch specs forever and there’s never been an encounter designed around requiring anyone to be a specific spec/class combo. There’s always some that are better for one thing or another, but never required
That’s fine. Give us a tangible benefit for sticking with one.
And if every covenant was available to everyone, you don’t think Blizz would create encounters that required everyone to switch to one?
Given the argument I’m making, I obviously don’t think they’d do that. Just like they won’t make Warrior tank the only ones you can down a boss with. Or make arcane the required mage spec for a fight.