Do not understand I was mocking the situation?
Were you only pretending to be uninformed? Gee, I mistook it for the real thing.
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I canât wait for the new PvP video, âChryous 7: Preparation before even openingâ to drop
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That ability was removed in Legion.
Thanks for clarifying, I really havenât kept up with the changes to our class 
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We know. :^)
I still have the space where itâd be on my bars empty.
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Yeah, I have a lot of empty spaces on my bars where once great and iconic Rogue abilities used to reside. Itâs heartbreaking.
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You know itâs horrible when you have more buttons in the base version of a game IE Classic Wow.
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Still waiting to see if the space where my gouge used to be will be filled back up again
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you know how sad that makes me, that an ability we learned in vanilla at level 6 is no longer in game because âLOL LETS PRUNE GOUGE!â
IMO all because first we eliminated the combo point generation from gouge, then then put the combo points on the rogue.
Take away both of those, and bring back also redirect then there is a choice to be made on how you use redirect, gouge, and all your kit. Doing so 100% eliminates willy nilly Arena 1,2,3 gouge, and kidney on CD just because you can step kidney. Instead you gotta think about it, set that up with your team and the opposing team can counter play it because they know what is potential.
^ Main reason why I am still 100% opposed to the Chi like flavor of the new rogue. In essence it exponentially increased our CC potential and that was justification in the eyes of Blizzard to nerf our class. I know that people dont tend to see it that way, but I do. Especially after Blizzard pruned the dickens out of all the other classes in WoD, and we basically got MOAR CC because Chi instead of combo points. Thatâs why Combat went from mid back PVP on a good day to god mode, its why Mutilate went from bottom tier in Mists to strong in WoD also, all because we got Chi in place of real combo points.
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It is not just the CC potential but the ability to switch targets quickly to do damage which impacts PVE and PVP balancing.
That combo point change in Legion has had a cascading effect on the rest of Rogue design since then and the devs donât know how to deal with it IMVHO.
I suspect that they donât want to go back to the old system because that is admitting the original rogue is a superior design.
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This is a terrible design philosophy thatâs no longer relevant in modern WoW. In classic this might have been acceptable, where PvE was trivial and largely a means to an end. Now we have M+, raids with increasingly AoE-centric fights, presumably Torghast as well. Even the open world has you engaging multiple enemies on a regular basis.
I donât want to level and gear multiple classes/specs through all the time-gated rental power crap just so I can competitively participate in all the content WoW offers. This is particularly important in M+, where you have rotating affixes and features specific to each dungeon. I donât want my chosen spec to be completely garbage for some raid fight, affix, or dungeon yet practically mandatory for others.
This is why developers removed stuff like Shuriken Combo and budgeted damage out of Dots for Aff/Spriest/Balance. You end up with large power imbalances that forces content designed around these imbalances.
No one is saying there needs to be perfect parity or classes canât have some unique strengths. I donât know what âdisastrous side effectsâ youâre even talking about. DFA hitting too hard in PvP? Thereâs easy solutions to problems like this, which Iâve suggested elsewhere. You could also return Crimson Tempest for sub and even buff its damage with zero side effects for PvPers.
Your post basically boils down to self-interested âI donât play this type of content therefore some classes shouldnât have AoEâ.
Imagine they added arena to Classic without any attempt to balance the existing classes. Now imagine certain classes crush everyone else (War/Pal/Priest/Lock? IDK itâs been a long time). People complain but they get told âyouâre playing an open-world 1v1 spec - play a warrior if you want to do arena.â Does that sound like quality class design?
Lastly, pointless hand-wringing over some supposed âspec identityâ is why weâre in this position to begin with. Some developer(s) got it in their head that this is what so-and-so spec should really be about and you end with some forced theme or niche that no one ever asked for to begin with.
Not every class build should be good at every bit of content. Doing so was a mistake.
That whole bring the player not the class hasnât worked, wow pve has never been balanced, and players will continue to Re roll the best spec of the best classes and stack because itâs what players do.
Blizzard intentionally buffs and nerfs classes so that this happens, itâs so that they can retain player engagement, itâs why leveling is cake, and also a component of making lots of money on character boosts.
There is literally zero wrong with a class doing truly absurd single target DPS and almost or entirely lacking any kind of AE, because in reality it doesnât matter at all when alleged âbalanceâ has never and will never existed because blizzard makes sure it will never ever get close to balanced. Blizzard hasnât attempted PVE balance since WoD went live because boosts + intentional imbalance and flavor of the month = cubic dollars.
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Easy fix. If you get knocked out it gets completely canceled just like when you drop a flare on a rogue (cancels subterfuge completely). If the rogue initiates the opener tho they get the benefit of it.