Too much crap about dps having use with healer PI… watching Max, growl, dorki atm discussing it.
PI needs to be self cast only for shadow and for healers back to the wrath version of self cast and haste/mana reductions which kills 2 birds with one stone. Disc mana gets fixed
What could possibly go wrong, with (1) having a single target ability that improves throughput, (2) your class is balanced around using that ability on yourself, and (3) the ability is going to be used on someone else?
Right now disc could use a little mana help. When PI came back i was hoping it was the mana version not just the haste version
PI needs to go DIAF and get off Shadow. Too much of Shadow’s damage is sunk into a 2 min cd window with PI, having to hold the 1.5 min void eruption for it.
Delete PI and make Void Eruption a 1 min cd with cdr based on shadowy apparitions procced.
I think PI’s kinda a fun priest utility for healer. It’s gonna feel real bad when it’s gone for priest in M+. Without Boon propping up the spec, they’re second tier damage dealers on their own - and PI makes them worth taking. We go straight back to Pally + Shaman or Pally + Druid which we’ve had for several M+ seasons now. I’d rather the other healers get more damage utility. Hell, in S1 of Shadowlands, people were already not wanting to take priest despite PI. It’s only with boon exploding their personal DPS, and late expansion scaling that it’s becoming a “problem.”
In raid/PvP it’s also pretty fun to be able to toss out.
I agree it’s really really bad being baked into Shadow’s balance, though.
Im so sick of castable on others PI. Dps are inherently competitive players. PI is a cheat code. We now have 14 competitive players in a mythic raid all fighting over the cheat code.
This is not some team building BS where we work together to find the best use and everyone goes home happy. If blizzard actually played the game they’d realize that this spell is just a drama factory.
Stop designing the game for your perfect image of what the players should be doing and start designing it for how they are. I know of multiple people quitting over this and one of my priest healers is dropping the class because he’s sick of being at the center of this spell.
Make power infusion castable on yourself only, or design it in a way similar to blessing of summer where it simply piggy backs off of what someone is doing but doesnt fundamentally change the balance of the class you are casting on. Enough of the excuse that this spell is actually some positive. Its design is toxic and I hope blizzard opens their eyes on this front. Blessing of summer is good design. Your target class doesnt scale wildly out of control. Power infusion is degenerate design that blows up class balance.
Yeah this design is completely idiotic. Now you get to save your own cd to match up with PI, but you must also time your 90s cd with someone else’s 2 min. The fact that this spell hasn’t been redesigned in every aspect is absolutely mind blowing.
I don’t see how casting it on others leads to fun. The degen nature of how it blows competitive balance out of whack makes this spell awful. I know people say the game “shouldn’t be designed around WCL”, but this is just shoving your head in the sand intentionally. Parsing and competing is an extremely fun mini game for a lof of people, and PI just absolutely dumps on it for no reason.
What do we gain by making power infusion a “25% haste buff” instead of a “10% of damage done for 20seconds is repeated as holy damage”? The answer is literally nothing. We destroy a widely loved aspect of raiding as dps to benefit no one, and frankly its BS design.
Raiding isn’t the only aspect of the game. PI being castable on teammates is huge in PvP and removing it because people fight over who wants it in a damn raid is the stupidest argument ever.
So what you’re saying is you like giving externals to others. What I’m saying is it blows raid dps competition out of the water. Why does either side have to sacrifice? Design power infusion like blessing of summer. You gain the ability to buff a team mate, I keep competitive balance. Design the spell in a way that pisses off no one it isn’t hard. Want to keep the haste on others? Pvp talent to make it castable on others…theres 100 solutions.
Keeping as is just pisses people off for no gain at all.
I’d like to see PI’s haste baked into Voidform. That way it lasts the length of the players Voidform, but also gets extended by the effects of Hungering Void and removes the toxic gameplay surrounding it.
Yes. Do this. The stupidity of voidform and pi having different CDs would be fixed too.
??? I mean you’re never going to get a 100 parse without buffs, but hasn’t WCL already handled that by letting you filter based on buffs received? You can literally just immediately strike off every parse that had an external buff.
Is your idea that no classes should buff other classes? Because that’s what would need to happen for people to never scream ‘muh parse!’ It’s PI right now, take it out and you’re going to see people parsing higher with Paladin Blessings, or even having an enh shammy. Or even having Innervates in specific cases. You’re saying Blessing of Summer isn’t a problem right now, but it absolutely does make a measurable difference in logs - so why is that one OK to you? Keep in mind you’re talking about a ‘minigame’ that literally isn’t supported by the game itself whatsoever but exists solely on a 3rd party site, and entirely is at the whim of that site’s creator.
Even putting that aside, parsing isn’t a ‘minigame’ for the vast majority of the audience. Even if we control only for mythic raiders, parsing has been a joke outside like first weeks of a raid since as long as I can remember. PI didn’t cause that problem. People cheese to parse every single boss in the game that they can.
At least it looks like there will be a talent to give the casting priest full benefit from PI when used on someone else.
They know PI is an issue, hence why other classes had to be nerfed as the scaling was so good.
The community does not want PI besides being a self cast.
What does Blizzard do? Let’s make it so even shadow priests can give it out 
Dragonflight release date Nov-Dec…and this is the first draft we have…dumpsterfire of another rushed expan incomming.
I love how Power Infusion is currently
“If I’m not getting PI then nobody should have it!” You literally sound like this. Literally a child
Its fine if shadow loses PI for something else. However the only thing PI really needs is to get the dancer treatment from FF, where the logs credit the dancer the extra damage that was done during PI.
Alternatively WCL should just void parses with PI on them or strictly compare them to other PI parses
Actually its more to do with how Blizzard balance the game. Not everyone gets PI, but some classes overperform with PI and performs “ok” without PI.
Blizzard solution, nerf the class that is overperforming with PI, thus fixing the problem, except those that don’t have PI now fall further down.
I can’t believe they made that spell return again, that spell alone has caused numerous balance issues in Shadowlands.
What evidence do people have that this is what’s happening? Like, I seriously have never found any substantial link that ‘classes that perform well with pi get nerfed!!’ Sure, classes that scale well with haste get nerfed a lot. But there’s classes that don’t perform particularly well with PIs that get nerfed, too. And even going back through each expansion where PI was a thing - there’s never been an established pattern that only the PI classes get targeted or something. And usually when haste based classes get nerfed - those classes are on top regardless of the PI, which is why PI is getting dropped on them in the first place.
It’s a chicken or egg scenario. Is the PI making the class overperform? Or is the class overperforming thus they’re taking the PI?