Make it not split, why do paladins have so many dam gimmics?
Divine Favor comes at a -30% healign and damage debuff.
BOP Purgable-Bubble Purgeable-
Holy 4pc doesnt refresh but let me ask you… why not? There is no reason its this way.
Holy doesnt get Spellwarding but Ret and Prot do?
Beacon of Faith suffers -30 effectiveness
Blessing of dawn forces you to play around a buff.
Freedom purgeable
Overflowing light max 15% shield?
AND THE MOST ANNOYING OF ALL, YOU CAN NOT AND I REPEAT CAN NOT PLAY WITH ANOTHER PALADIN.
Okay now lets imagine if other classes have a " we will give you more power but at a cost" >>RAGE POST<<<
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(Some)Paladin defesives being very strong but being removed through purgs/dispells/shattering throw/spellsteal early WOULD be an almost ok trade off, if forbearance didnt exist. Having 5 min CD defensives doesnt harm paladin much, because it will probably die in the first application of forbearance. Why cant Holy have BoS(spellwarding), no reason that I know.
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None for PVP.
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Nearly everything in mythic Plus is magic damage, it would make it too op.
I disagree and believe we should get Blessing of spell warding though
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Ret doesn’t have spellwarding, at least not for pve. Haven’t touched pvp for a long while.
Its a PvP Talent
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For retribution, it takes up a PVP talent spot which is more or less fine, it’s probably the best pvp talented we have. I forget to put a “i’m talking about pvp” lable on every comment I make. I do not participate in filling the healer roll for any content, But I feel holy paladin is one of the easiest healers for me to kill because they cannot survive most specs damage as they cannot avoid taking the magical damage other than with bubble which is gone in eight seconds or less and using, it makes them the easiest target to kill.
The Fact that we are at a disadvantage because as ret I got put with a hpal is just the most stupid thing ever
It literally cuts the amount of cds we can use by half. Oh wait I cannot bop my teammate because hpal loh or viceversa. Stupid game why does forbearance still exist in 2024 I will never know when all immunities can be removed.
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Couldn’t agree more, even for pve, who gives a toot if I LoH then bubble, they both go on crazy long cooldowns
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Yall are speaking my language. Delete Forbearance!
In order to take advantage of blessing of spell warding in PVE, the player would have to be exceptionally knowledgeable to know what the best use of it is per each five minute cool down. And as it is in PVP now, if you cast blessing with spell warding on anyone you can’t cast blessing of protection on anyone for 5 minutes, they share a cool down as if they are one ability. Probably not too overpowered to allow blessing of spellwarding to exist in pve since most players wouldn’t even use it to its fullest and it applys forbearance.
The fact that LoH still contributes to forbearance is a joke. Maybe you can make an argument that immunities shouldn’t be spamable (chaining BoPs into bubbles etc) on a single target but a full health bar heal that is on a 10/7 minute CD still contributing to Forbearance is so dumb.
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I would even be happy if they added a paladin passive the reduces the debuff of Fore, per HP used.
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If far enough into dampening a LoH may do less healing than a normal FoL did at the start of the match. Having it also apply Forbearance is just insulting.
I think Forbearance could be reduced to like 15 seconds or so, it is probably too long right now. I wouldn’t say removed completely as it can lead to some weird gimmicky stuff between rets and hpals, however I do think that Forbearance should be personal. As in, each Forbearance from a paladin is independent, so even if you LoH yourself and get Forbearance, a holy paladin can still LoH you or BoP you etc. So every paladin would just have independent Forbearance basically, allowing rets to play with hpals with no issues.
Maybe removing it is okay as well I really don’t know but I could see it being a bit busted. I mean even in general being able to combo Spellwarding+BoP together is an immunity to all damage for 8 seconds, and with games being long like they are now you can do that 2 times per game most of the time, alongside personal immunities.
I’m not sure how it’d play out however there definitely has to be a change because ret and holy getting paired up feels awful and that should not be the case. It also just removes a dps spec from hpals choice if you are using lfg and it removes an entire healer from rets choice if you are using lfg. Thats not great imo