I’ve been watching a ton of streams and all warriors are using Demoralizing shout spam to hold aoe threat better than any paladin could ever do. Its straight broken and needs to be fixed asap or paladins lose their one niche in 5 mans.
Proof esfand has been using a warrior to generate unlimited aoe threat all day twitchdottv/esfandtv
If i remember correctly, this is how warriors kept Agro in BWL during the Nef Fight. At the start he would spawn tons of Drakonids and warriors would just spam Demo Shout / Battle Shout to hold threat as its a debff / buff and generates great threat.
So if thats the case, then its not really a bug, and Paladins arent amazing tanks to begin with. Also, if you’re a good pally tank then people will still take you over a brandead BS/DS spamming warrior.
I would just like the dev team to check the reference client because it seemslike demo shout spam causes more threat than sunder armor.
that was with battleshout. warriors would group with pet classes and be able to get battleshout on 4 players + 4 pets at once for aggro
Right now demo shout spam is being used to keep threat off 3 mages in esfands stream. Ive never seen that in any of my time playing wow. It needs to be fixed before warriors dont even need to cast sunder to tank anymore.
That’s how I used to tank.
You wouldnt reliably be able to keep sunder armour up on 3 separate targets though, so why would BS/DS be considered a bug? especially since they dont really have much in the way of aoe threat other than that? cleave isn’t good enough in the slightest lol
Sup. I have no idea if it is a bug but I can tell you as the tank in Esfand’s group that ran that all day I was still losing aggro at times. Its more guaranteed by being prot or having salv on the mages which I believe he did.
I know Tribe used the same method when they were doing the same ZF runs but he was also prot and it looked like he kept the aggro even better than I did. As far as I know we discovered this during the beta.
All the info I have for ya.
Bear tank demo roar is having the same effect. I don’t think it’s an actual bug tho.
Yeah and Bear tanks have higher tps than warriors at this point in the game. They are actually nuts.
#nochanges
Am I doing this right?
SUre, if we’re talking about like… UBRS or Scholomance or something… MAYBE…
Paladins will not tank or dps raids. They are a broken class.
Do you know if hunter pet bear demo shout also produces this massive threat ? i started a dwarf hunter on a PvE server and would like to know. It would be useful for soloing or offtanking in dungeons.
Thanks.
From the “Not a bug” post. Edit: I understand this is not DS, but shouts have always been threat generators. AOE threat is hard enough and dont see a problem with this.
Paladins. Threat. Lmao.
I legit never knew this.
welcome to vanilla…sorry I mean classic.
Not broken. It was always this way in vanilla. An individual demo shout does less threat per target than a sunder. If you want, you can go test it. Have a warrior demo shout once, then dps until you pull aggro and figure out how much damage worth of threat that was. Then do the same with a sunder.
Demo Shout scales the more mobs it affects.
If true, this does need looked in to. I used to use demo/battle shout for initial threat in Vanilla as a tank. But you couldn’t demo something that already had demo for additional threat(had to wait for it to wear off) same with Battle shout overriding your own buff wouldn’t increase anymore threat. Again had to wait for it to wear off or players to force click it off.
Reapplying either shout over itself SHOULD NOT cause additional threat.
Reapplying a FRESH shout of either would cause additional threat.