What if he gets a Fodder the Flame demon (quite decent chance over 18+ seconds that DB will recharge), keeps it alive and continues hitting you in Meta? You want to DB Poly him, but demon would just break him out. If you try to repoly him he will just interrupt that or get broken out by demon again.
Don’t forget that he can and will purge barriers, removing both their absorption and damage. Tempest Barrier he can just break in 1-2 hits after the nerf to preserve the purge and dispel BB with 50% chance instead of 33.
The answers are good, but they don’t cover every possible situation, that is why I wrote about double Eye Beam back to back situations, Fodder the Flame demon breaking the DB + Poly chain and so on.
Imao, I even wonder how it all came to discussion of Mage vs DH when my starting point was that Poly is just not as OP as many people think and suggested them to try using it and then judge, especially in 1v1.
If you want to win more 1v1s get better, no other issues
Seriously, you’re just completely awful at your class man lmao
DH has to just get absurdly lucky in every situation possible and you have to get as unlucky as possible to even come close to slightly being in danger and you should still be fine
Idk man, figure out how to press your abilities or just keep being terrible at mage
they should remove the limitation that limits you to maintaining polymorph on 1 target at a time. If you could keep multiple players polymorphed simultaneously without it breaking your prior poly it would be fine
So you don’t know lots of things about DHs, offer a suboptimal conduit build that even Setup criticized, but it is me being bad? Imao.
I do have to improve in many aspects, but I don’t want to be judged by a theorycrafter to whom it is me who needs to explain half of things that can happen or who is just a mage that plays mainly XvX (maybe is even very good at that), but not 1v1.
No man I gave a ton of examples of everything that could happen and how you can react.
You can surely get absurdly unlucky, Demon just proccing at the best times possible and getting your blink barriers purged and I still think you’ll be more than fine enough to survive his bigger meta
You have more than enough tools to satisfy what you need
You can change your conduit build around specifically for 1v1s, but you can also just take the cookie cutter mage arena conduit build and swap to cryofreeze if you need and you are more than fine dude.
Man I’m not ever losing a mage 1v1 with blazing barrier to a melee
Somehow you are
Problem is you bro
I just answered every stupid what if you had a question for even though you seriously don’t have to try anywhere near that hard to beat a DH
You’re the only mage who has struggles vs DH and think it’s possible to die to them
Press your buttons react how you need to dude and you’re not going to die, a 10 second CD purge is literally not enough to put you behind as a mage
If you really want to give up ring you can even just play double nova in the duel as well and renova his first reverse too, gives you an extra 4 seconds of buying time if you need that somehow.
But you’re just not gunna lose this duel if you hit abilities lmao, you’re talking about people not knowing what DH does when you think you’re getting chunked in a half chaos nova when he has 1 global of damage on you? Just isn’t happening whatsoever
Like I said, even if everything in the universe possibly goes right for the DH you still shouldn’t lose lol (i.e somehow getting a fodder back to back so he has 1 minute of uptime on it which let’s be real that is just not happening)
So if you are good in 1v1 against DHs as you claim, how do you not know that:
Fodder the Flame proc can break your DB + Poly chains and DH can keep their demon alive to counter them
Necrolord DH sustained damage is quite powerful and it is not only Meta that carries it. How would you imagine DHs constantly getting it off in arena when Eye Beam is the shining “interrupt me” ray? So no, their sustained damage is quite good even without it.
They use Imprison to disrupt your Soulshape
Imprison snares Soulshape when it expires
They have a charge for every single manual Flicker of your Soulshape
They have double Eye Beam as Meta resets its CD and they can use first to bait out your kick
They can keep the Eye Beam and not use immediately into Fel Eruption as it can be blinked out of / trinketed out of and Eye Beam insta-kicked
If you did know that, why I was the first one to mention all of that?
Just looks like you either didn’t fight a DH who can do that or post common theoretic information instead of practical.
He doesn’t need a Fodder back to back, whenever he gets a demon he can keep him alive for slighly less than 25 seconds, which is enough to cover your next DB + Sheep go.
And again, I know that, but you somehow don’t, when you smack DH 1v1 as you claim? Interesting.
I think blazing only gives us so much juice vs some specs.
Like chillpills is prob best DK dueler I mess with and I can beat him normally but if he runs heal ams legendary its pretty unwinnable. He flattens alot of ppl in dalarn gaming 1v1s too
Impending victory fury is also rly hard to mess with too much dmg/mobility/heals enraged regen cycles faster then bust nearly.
Only 2 specs besides an insane WW tho that i accept the long drawn out L on unless they feed a CD
all 3 you can drag fight on for many minutes but getting a clear window to actually fry them is rly hard. You gotta dampen their brains into making a mistake
I play the game at a far higher level than you, I know this exists, he has to be really lucky for that to happen - at the perfect time. It lasts 25 seconds, he needs it proc at the perfect window for it to get value when you can’t stall things out which is super unlikely
And DH sustain is much lower outside of their eye beam windows where they’re in meta. Eye beam has a short CD. Their overall sustain is high, but their non meta damage is lower. Classes that can CC or avoid DH on meta shut them down hard especially if every eye beam is disrupted
You keep acting like I don’t know every interaction you listed, you soulshape to begin with to buy yourself a couple of seconds and if he incaps you you’ve already done that for yourself which is why it’s irrelevant
They will run out of felrushes, and on top of that they need felrushes for their burst to begin with so if they’re forced to use all of them just to catch you it’s a net gain in your defense anyways
There is quite literally never a time where he can eye beam on top of you and get value without you stopping it, I already told you this lmfao
Legit one opportunity is meta reset which you likely have time to either db it or just buy yourself time
The entire strat is outlive big meta, then just stop every other meta which you absolutely can do, if he doesnt get full channel for haste his short meta pressure is cut significantly
They actually do get stopped on eye beams quite a lot, generally they need tons of cross CC and people don’t always have trinket for every single stun
Except you get an 11 second CD stunbreak as a mage bro, he can’t get off a full eye beam vs you ever in a 1v1
You keep trying to give random suggestions as things that just don’t matter, I’ve had an answer for anything you’ve questioned
I already said your general goal is just never let him channel eye beam full, and outlast big meta
You have so many different ways to press your buttons to do this you just have to do something. You keep thimking I don’t know these things, I literally just answered what you could do if somehow the sky is falling and you’re as unlucky as possible but every option the DH has really doesn’t help him out that much. You can do so many different things depending on the scenario
Tbh I’m just giving generic melee like DH/war/rogue/SV hunter
those are pretty easy to just outlast
Ferals/WWs are just boring, no one dies, was more of just emphasizing my point here in general
Arms is ez pz, fury is like up there with fire mage for 1v1s tho nearly.
This matchup is actually really skill based imo and rng dependant.
If you have craven and do camo resets frequently it can go really close
Getting lucky with alter on death chakram is the rng portion. If you don’t get it ur rly behind and if u do ur rly blessed and likely to force smthing. That being said i feel like 99% of mages just flop to any kind of hunter until u get it lol
It is but I also know there’s not many SV hunters I’d be worried about in this matchup so it’s free the majority of the time imo
I feel super comfortable playing vs hunters almost always just by knowing how to be super obnoxious
If I was fighting myself I think it would just come down to RNG
All it takes too is just doing what I can to avoid traps or trap resets really. For example imaging a trap can make it super hard for him to get a clean camo reset, and just avoiding traps in general mostly when he gets super low while just holding heating ups to instant flamestrike if necessary
I think the same goes for mages tho lol. I think at average skill level its very heavily hunter favored.
Most fights favor classes other then mage until mage gits gud really tho. If you notice a trend with mage posters most of the ones complaining about mechanics and shortfalls of mage dont have enuff time/xp in game/pvp or even on mage to do work on class.
Mage scales insanely well but until you learn to use it its one of those classes u get popped on by even healers hah.
I think the easiest thing blizz could do is like make prune ring of frost, iceward, and frentic speed and put DB/Frostjaw/Deep freeze on same row. Would make it better for 1v1s at lower skill xp without changing 3s RMP.
Yea u could argue deep poly is more toxic then db poly but w.e u still lose DB from kit in exchange for it and it was a thing in WOD anyway and is stun dr so u cant swap to some1
Would also open mage up for 2v2 comps with healers again if u could exchange DB for deep, and all 3 specs have option of DB, Deep or frostjaw
Not every question. What do you suggest to do if DH just rushes at and damages you and waits till you DB + Poly him to trinket out of and use first Eye Beam, so you either interrupt it and have no CS for second Eye Beam or don’t interrupt it and he gets free damage / Haste boost / 6s of Meta?
If you just keep your DB and Sheep and wait for him to use Eye Beam, he can just not do that and attack you. If you use Combustion, he will survive with Netherwalk first go, Darkness / Blur second go etc. If you try to race with him at sustained damage, you will likely still be losing as it will be mostly Fireball tickling him vs his actual sustained damage and you will have trouble with Polymorphing him for peeling without covering it with DB (the thing he waits for). How do you suggest handling him without using this combo at all? And the moment I use it, I perform his advantage condition - he trinkets, uses first Eye Beam, either gets the CS or Haste boost / Meta, pops Meta and makes the stun combo I mentioned, if you wasted CS on first Eye Beam, you won’t even be able to stop the second beam.
No, when he pops netherwalk you shifting power and reset fireblasts and explode him out of it. He will have to blur or die there. You still have plenty of time left on combust. You can still maybe kill him thru blur, depends if he metas to immune some or gets a demon proc.
Darkness u should fine at range peppering fireballs to reset combust, or ring him if u rly need to, i’ve never had too tho.
if I’m being totally honest sometimes I don’t even kick eyebeam if I suspect he has fleshcraft up. Don’t even really need too, your tankier and do more damage lol.
You do more burst and heal more overtime and they are pretty kite-able if you keep frostbolt up or have images rollin. I DB frostbolt when i wanna save dR’s or not poly heal my kill
If u wanna be extra toxic kite him for 10 minutes then poly gpyro meteor combust him randomly. I don’t usually ever use gpyro/meteor anymore but it does have its purpose in surprise 100-0’s on ppl who have nothing left and ur just messin around anyway in duro or bgs lol or skirms
My sincerest advise is sit in elwynn/duro w.e faction you are and spam thousands of duels, spam bgs, spam epic bgs, fight everyone and anyone until you rly know how to mage.
Once you start to get rly good, spam skirmishes and limit test often in every situation
edit: also run gpyro in your duels/fights and learn how to use it to bait cds, you can often force a trinket/blur on majority of DH’s u run into the second u wind up a g-pyro bc they are afraid of the combust follow up, repoly short, nova out wait off blur and do it again.
If he reverses the nova just run around with blink and fox teleport until hes off poly dr then poly gpyro combust him with no blur lol. You can do this so many times over
Necro dh is way easier then night fae dh cus u dont gotta worry about the hunt
So you just give me the same advice you posted 10 posts ago and claim that it would work every time? Don’t take into account successful BB purges, Fodder procs and any other possible conditions?
You are right, I should stop asking you. Setup did write lots of useful advices and I see that he actually knows what he talks about. He is also less toxic, so 2:0 in his favor. I’d rather consult him if I need.
Keep doing nothing whatsoever it’s just all over mages are squishy DHs instantly break all your barriers they need a buff and to be undispellable etc.
He just gave you better ways to kill, I just described how to not die
He knows he’s never going to die, I just only gave suggestions incase you don’t know how to live - so many things for you to do to buy yourself time defensively
Do what I said and never die or don’t, up to you
I already accounted multiple times if he gets super lucky you can still buy yourself the time to tank him before you lose lol
hidden alt poster playing the long con to get free coaching when all he had to do was ask.