ya i mean its livelord af in practice, maybe better to say melee/rot heavy
my understanding is that, on paper at least, its supposed to be a glass cannon and not an a-lister at the damp party
haha thatâs crazy what if rmp had the liquid damage to do that 100% of the time even though sheep heals to full
Donât forget the conduit to make Fear withstand more damage before breaking.
And Fear also not suffering spell pushback.
It heals you though
Poly and Cyclone both need to be on a 45 second cooldown. No way should you be able to pop those spells off at will.
weak bait, also arenât you the guy that got absolutely trashed on for ur braindead reddit post lol
Wow good thing there are so many more anti fear mechanics, you canât shimmer a fear, warlocks donât have anywhere near the same on demand burst damage, they donât have a 17 cd set up CC for fear, and fear lasts 6 seconds instead of 8 because that extra duration is what would allow a full DR reset xD
Stun DR wont fully reset though so they wonât die
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From what I know, major anti-fear mechanics are Concentration Aura conduit, Will of the Forsaken, Bestial Wrath, Berserkerâs Rage and Lichborne.
Anti-poly mechanics are Soulsteed Clamps which are available to every single class who can pick Kyrian (and there is no disorient reduction conduit available for all classes AFAIK), Druid animal form immunity, Mechanical / Undead pets, Shadow Word: Death (not sure it would deal enough damage to break Fear without its 150% damage boost below 20% health, but has enough damage to break Polymorph) and Fodder the Flame demon conserving (once again, instantly breaks Polymorph, but not sure how much time it would need to break Fear, especially with Fear damage withstand conduit).
This is 5 vs 5, and I donât know any class who is immune to Fear 80% of time.
Why do you think that you can Shimmer a Fear, but canât Shimmer a Poly? Their cast range is equal.
Weâll see what happens with Warlockâs burst with double legendary aka triple Chaos Bolt in 2-3 seconds that can be Bane of Havocâed and Demonology double Demon Bolt burst.
They donât have a melee range disorent preparation, but Demos have a 30s CD ranged stun set up, less frequent, but more potent.
But really, I wish all people that complain about Polymorph would have their major CC replaced by its analogue - a spammable casted interruptible CC that heals its target at the pace of average healer. As I see that it is Hunters who mosly complain about it or consider OP, Blizzard, please, make their Freezing Trap 0s CD, with close to instant landing time, but an interruptible cast time that when interrupted would block their Disengage (Blink analogue), Counter Shot (CS analogue) and Roar of Sacrifice (Alter Time analogue) and would heal their target for 10% of maximum health each second. Let them feel its power themselves, especially in 1v1.
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Man, you love to deflect everything to hunters.
Not really, I wrote them as example because it was 3 hunters who wrote that Poly is OP lately - Dillon, guy who created thread about no CD Freezing Trap and Eorc.
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Ok, so youâre dumb too. There are two hunters in this thread, myself and dilly, both of which say polly is fine as isâŠ
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Because warlocks donât have shimmer
Tremor totem
Theyâre using the stun DR to set up the fear
That is far worse than having a mage team stun DR you then use your own set up CC to reset on the target
Stop being obtuse lmfao
You know I play mage as well lmao
Sadly Iâm psure I have higher exp on my mage alt than any other poster on this forum
I never created a thread about no CD freezing trap wtf are you saying LOL
That would be beyond stupid if hunters had that
I swear you have brain worms
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they have portal and teleportation to avoid a poly
and they donât need a shimmer to land a fear when they have a sububus that can cc even when lock is ccd
âYes polymorph is that goodâ.
That is what he wrote. This basically means that he thinks that Polymorph is so powerful that to balance it Mage needs 4+ anticlasses.
Please read actual responses before posting answers like that.
@Dillon - Warlocks donât have Shimmer, but have Demonic Circle: Teleport and gate. And what I meant was that Mages can Shimmer Poly and Fear equally.
Ok, forgot about Tremor Totem. Well, 1 more is still not much more anti-fear mechanics than anti-poly, especially since 1 class is almost entirely immune to Poly.
It is talked about in 1v1 and they do use such a setup there. They can stun you, hit and chain-cc with Fear from this stun.
Do you play your mage exclusively in 2v2 / 3v3?
âguy who created a thread about no CD Freezing Trapâ is not you, I donât remember his name and he is just listed second in the list of 3 hunters. You canât understand meaning of a sentence, but call other people dumb? Imao.
Iâm talking about to cast one lol
Can also reactively kick seduce and stop its channel
Seduce is far easier to avoid than a poly as well, pet cast time and channel plus one of the easiest pets in the game to kill by far, also canât seduce off of a seduce anyways
Yeah man mage just has fear and polymorph too
Man take blazing soul in 1v1s and you are literally immortal on mage in duels lmfao
Also if a lock chains his fears off of a stun then he isnât doing all of his damage in a stun, entirely different comparison
You literally wrote it in a way that titles it as if youâre saying I made that thread lmfao and your context definitely makes it come off that way too
Anything I wrote that is potentially ambiguous has so many context clues
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if you kick seduce lock has free cast, you kick a poly and mage(at least fire) can freecast too so things seems pretty even
focusin in a pet make the lock free to do things and he can summon it again with a cast time of 0.5s every 3 minutes
Now fam. Frost is crazy
Mage has a âfearâ that is used to safely cast a âpolyâ, you shouldnât treat them as two different advantages. And it was you who wrote that Mages can Shimmer Fear, but for some reason forgot to mention that they can Shimmer a Polymorph as well.
Blazing Soul wouldnât make you immortal against any class who has a spammable purge or spellsteal, or even purge with 10s CD as Blinkâs CD is larger even with max conduits.
Stun â Some damaging ability(ies) â Fear â Some damaging ability(ies) â Fear â Some damaging ability(ies) is how they do this. Yes, it is not their biggest burst combo, but it is still possible and powerful.
it was 3 hunters who wrote that Poly is OP lately - Dillon, guy who created thread about no CD Freezing Trap and Eorc.
Dillon + Eorc = 2. Did you think I made an ariphmetic mistake or did you just not read attentively enough?
You get seduced and have someone reactively stop it which keeps you on DR
Plus the seduce cast canât get faked so itâs really easy to preavoid it or play around it
Ya that pet dies to piss, seduce requires very, very specific scenarios/comp matchups and is only going to get value out of destro and not demo/aff for obvious reasons
???
Is this what youâre referencing?
Iâm literally describing that warlocks canât shimmer to cast a fear like a mage can shimmer to cast a polymorph
Yes exactly, it reads as if youâre only discussing two people not three of them, probably because no oxford comma. The first comma looks as if youâre describing me as the person who wrote the thread, and then just Eorc out of nowhere.
Iâm sorry but I am unfamiliar with the word ariphmetic
Only two classes have that, priests and shamans
Play triune vs them
Good thing you have trash debuffs to cover
I promise you youâre never dying to any of the classes even those with a 10 second cd purge with blazing soul unless theyâre permanently getting lucky, off CD forever, and even then you still will have your regular barrier
You are just playing badly as mage in 1v1
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Bro. Stop lol. He said:
It was clearly evident he was talking about you canât get shimmered into a fear. As in warlocks canât blink around a pillar a fear you like a mage can a poly with shimmer. Pretty obvious context. Reading your try to weasel your way out of that debate is triggering me lol.
Personally not with ya on this. Not all styles require a serial comma after that. I was actually always taught that the two subjects in between âandâ donât get a comma as the penultimate. Stylistic choice in my opinion.