Poinson cleansing totem change is shortsighted

I’m not opposed to priests and shamans getting their decurse updated to remove multiple types rather than just disease and curse, respectively. However, PCT, like mass dispel before, is pretty restrictive on the design space to have in the game. Mass dispel would be more problematic in this regard due to the higher prevalence of magic overall, but the same concept applies.

If Blizzard designers think having an AOE poison is a useful mechanic, having a single class that can trivialize it completely makes that class essentially mandatory in those dungeons. Sure it wouldn’t be as bad if it’s just a single dungeon that benefits from mass poison dispel, but it’s still not good to have a pairing of mandatory class to specific dungeon.

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I’m okay with removing things like PCT or making them long cd in the event that healers can get a full dispel instead of the x+y+z or just simple x+y removal we have going on now. In my mind, the talent for healers would then “improve” it to remove all curses, diseases, poisons, and magic instead of just 2 or 3 of those. edit: dps would need to retain their current dispel profiles or they’d become a little too strong defensively. Bleeds is a different story and I think that’s probably fine the way it is even though some of the more difficult things to handle are bleeds at the moment. PVP should probably be left alone in that regard.

I think the design we have currently going where one healer is just inevitably going to have so much of an easier time either due to something like PCT, or having an exceptionally valuable dispel combo isn’t a good one.

I’m curious if anyone cares Mistweaver has had a raid wide (not just party) instant cast poison, disease, AND magic dispel that also heals since MoP since it’s on a 3 min cooldown (that you can get done to 2:30ish).

No, because it’s a heavy cooldown tied to your single biggest group panic button.

Using it solely as a dispell kills your one route to recovering from multiple people getting dropped under 30% at the same time.

If it lines up with a dispell window? Awesome. Otherwise, no one is seriously using it for the cleanse function.

Yulon ramps are SO much more healing than revival lol

Or Chi-Ji, on a 1 minute cooldown.

Or in a 5 main SG can bring an entire group from 30% to full in a single cast on a 40 second cooldown.

Monks can also trivialize the add affix with touch of death, but I think that has a long cooldown.

Resto shamans have healed 50.3% of all keys +7 and up. Something has to change and if I were a shaman I would rather they nerf pct than say making wind shear a 45 sec cooldown instead of 12.

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Yeah healing balance isn’t great, things will change and resto will go back to the dump like all of DF and resto Druids will go back on top most likely.

Predictive healing vs panic healing.

It’s your 3 min single global “oh crap” button.

It’s not about throughput. It’s about instantly stabilizing so you can keep people from dying the next hit.

Healing tide, rewind, Salvation (after resets). Those were all designed under the same idea. Disc and Druids are all suffering right now because they physically do not have one of these buttons. H-Pal doesn’t either, but their single target throughput is nutty, so they can get away without it.

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Disc is represented in 16s (highest keys) so they must have figured it out.

Again, predictive vs panic healing.

Keys packs and damage trends are predictable when actually coordinated with groups that are communicating and actively interrupting.

The button exists as an emergency cooldown. Realistically, the best case is never having to hit it. But it’s there in case something stupid steamrolls into a massive problem in keys.

I almost never have to use HTT on my Sham in keys. Farseer unleash life + chain heal ramp or Totemic’s totem chain heals are better than it. But, in a pinch, it’s there.

Meanwhile disc priest has no such emergency cooldown and is significantly outperforming mistweaver. So either mistweaver has some other gaps that make it more likely they will need to use Revival as an emergency heal or they may as well use it as an uber mass dispel rather than saving it for a rainy day.

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This is true, but the conclusions they arrive at for what to do are certainly interesting.

They see something sucks for almost everyone, and between ‘make this suck less for everyone’ and ‘make sure this sucks for everyone without exception’ they choose the latter.

If the player base is gravitating towards certain classes / specs to avoid something you’ve put in the game, it seems like focusing on the cause would be better than applying band-aids because, unlike actual band-aids, they never remove these.

It will be funny when people start just trying to bring more than 1 Shaman instead. Not that people have ever stacked classes before, but it could happen!

I think double Sham, Mage (or Aug if it’s giga key) and Priest heals will be better, because then you get all the buffs. Get Bear for tank.

Only thing that sucks is you have 1 BR.

I don’t know the exact context of your conversation, but Pain Suppression CARRIES in LFR, it’s insane. I think I was single handedly keeping the tanks alive. I had a PS for each time their HP dipped too low. They never died.

So, this means there will be correspondingly fewer poison dispels needed in Dungeons, right?

Then it is literally zero concern to you since you only do 10s.

It’s a reflection of class balance at the MDI level, which does not concern you.

If you think holy priest has no tools in those dungeons then you are playing it very very wrong.

They will. There are sub rogues right now being invited lol.

That this nerf wasnt even that bad and you should stop crying about it?

You’re the one parroting everything a streamer tells you. You’ve outsourced your thinking to an entertainer lol.

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We were talking about using revival as a dispel in M+, and the comment was that revival is mistweaver’s big AOE CD and not something that should be used for the dispel.

Yeah, you really seems to know what is happening on the game. You are so into what the community thinks. I think you are a holder of the truth!

You make me feel smart. All the time.

Can’t directly fight with arguments. I’m going to take a look into his character to find enough evidence to put support my quotes.

Never ever mentioned a streamer, you did it first. I’m so sorry they were mean to you, it happens all the time. But the forums aren’t a place to heal your broken heart.

Just looking at facts and data, and no, they do not care about your feelings.

That’s funny, you’re the one that blizzard is ignoring lol. :joy:

That is my argument. You’re complaining about how the top .00001% will play. It doesn’t matter no matter how much your favorite streamer tells you it does.

When you’re talking about MDI players you’re talking about streamers lol.

Thank goodness Blizzard will never listen to you.

Nah, you’re not.

Well sir, jokes on you, because we being loud on the holy paladin changes made they revert it hours later. Seems like you are the one trying to be different here.

Can I at least know who hurted you this much? You don’t stop talking about streamers since we started. How hard did he hit you?

And how can you know that? I have a dozen of topics which I replied positively to and blizzard did a hotfix for it later. Matter of fact, I conducted the most liked topic on the forums about the Zek’vir challenge and Blizzard changed it. So who are you to say when you hiding behind a level 23 human priest trying to bait others into thinking the level of key they do gatekeep their opinion?

You seem to be the only one here who never got listened to. And by judging on your answers, neither did your favorite streamer listened to you lmao

I don’t know what you did to be so mad at yourself brother, just don’t include me on it.

3 shamans 1 druid and 1 ret.
Rets can remove poison and… they’re rets.
You don’t even need a healer!! if you have ret and a guardian druid!