Noticed some priests are using Nova vs POH on Vael, even though its lower HPS. Curious as to thoughts on why that would be? Pushback wasnt a big issue, I guess maybe threat? But has anyone ever seen a healer pull on Vael before? I’m kinda baffled
Extra DPS would be the only reason I can think of.
Thought about that but their priests are doing no damage. These are some of the top guilds btw, not just clueless scrubs or I’d dismiss it.
Then maybe it’s better to do more frequent lesser heals. If you’re topping everyone off with every heal either way, holy nova would be the way to go.
Or maybe it’s a spell pushback thing? Does the fire wave pushback?
Could be a Healing per second situation that works out for Holy Nova?
Could be a better health pool stability situation that works out for Holy Nova?
Could be some sort of quirk that requires some sort of special quirky item or consumable or world buff??
Prayer is definitely more HPS than Holy Nova.
Maybe its just the difference in HPS not wiping the raid makes it so they just aren’t efforting as hard as possible, also it could just be too much overhealing, ive never healed in this era.
Especially if you have 8/8 T1 (it’s good to have a set specifically for this fight), I think PoH is better. More heals even if it’s on a bigger cooldown and it benefits more from +heal if I remember correctly. Pushback can definitely be an issue with PoH and getting it off before anyone in your group dies, but I bubble myself before I cast it to avoid that if it’s going to be close.
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Correct. 28% of your +healing for prayer and only 7% for nova.
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In most cases yes but doesn’t Prayer only heal the group and Nova heals everyone in the raid within range? So it could be healing 20+ people I thought.
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Is it a mobility thing? Nova is insta-cast, possible on the move.
Is it about hitting a specific clump of players with heals, rather than a designated party? Prayer is party group IIRC.
Both only heal within the group.
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Are you suuuuuurrrreee?
Oh? I thought it was just group for both. If Nova heals the whole raid that would be huge and actually super OP.
Yes, I am pretty sure, the description states “healing all party members” and this is what all the other priests have told me.
Then I got nothing in regards to why they would use it other than mobility but you don’t really need to move for Vael unless you get the bomb.
Both are definitely party only
Did just find this:
In my eyes the problem with PoH is its chunky cast time - you have to commit yourself to it. Imagine a scenario where you are 2 secs into the 3 sec PoH cast (3.5-4 sec cast on Horde with spell pushback) and you decide you need to spot heal someone to save them. You stop cast, hit dude with a shield/renew/flash whatever, swap back to casting PoH to heal your group. By the time that PoH casts it will have been 9-11 seconds between your party getting your last PoH heal and the new one - that is a long time! Even if nobody in your party dies all of the other healers are using precious mental energy thinking about saving your party members bc they see health dipping dangerously low. The only way to keep your own group from becoming ‘the liability’ in this scenario is to not act on the need for a spot heal you saw and hope someone else saves that dude because you gotta finish casting PoH on your party.
Contrast that with spamming Nova: your party gets nice smooth constant heals, it is an instant cast so you are always ready to react to an emergency situation, it does aoe healing and damage which is nice in a DPS race boss fight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f2tq3i/vael_party_healing_with_priests_holy_nova_or/
EDIT: And while I’m doing shadow, not Holy, and not 60 on my priest yet, I can totally understand the problem inherent with their spell batching. I have regular issues with trying to stop casting on any of my casters. Either I miss the batch and the spell goes off when I don’t want it to, or the cast seems longer than it should have been compared to other things happening.
Holy Nova only heals your own party. Every single top healer on Vael is using PoH, it heals for 3x the amount of Nova.
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With this fight in particular, it shouldn’t matter. Nobody will be taking spiking damage outside of the tank, so it’s more a matter of throwing a PoH in between heals on the tank. This should allow you to gauge the timing pretty well. I struggled a bit with it last night but I was just being dumb, once I got it down we downed vael. If anything I toss out a bubble on someone who I didn’t realize was edging close to death before I start the PoH.
The problem with Nova is you’ll have to do it more frequently to get the same effects, which means less heals on the tank. PoH just dishes out better HPS, especially if you have the 8/8 t1.
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