What signs are you claiming point to it being intentional? Shapeshifting is never mentioned in the notes from back then. And in the week leading up to pre-patch they added partial ticks to the beta even though they were never in TBC, as if they were changing energy based on the actual patch notes and then realized that for some reason partials weren’t in the actual code, and decided to remove them at the last second.
Look, if Blizzard really thinks that a much-wanted change to a memespec, to a previous phase (a change that was present for the majority of the beta) is too much, then fine.
But they can say it our faces at least.
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The things is there are so many other games on the horizon right now for people to play and Blizzard doesn’t want to piss people off because what’s stopping them from saying “oh I’m getting no honor” or “man that feral energy tick reset they added really screwed over my class, I think I’m gonna go play FF14”.
The fact of the matter is that Blizzard IS making changes to the game weather it be seal of blood, honor changes, in game store, or getting rid of the dungeon spam cap and it would be really beneficial for us AND Blizzard as a company to not piss people off. If people don’t get what they want they WILL unsubscribe and go find another game, weather Blizzard believes it or not. So if you’re gonna make “some changes” please revert this terrible energy tick reset change you just added into the game so that I and many other people will continue to play feral druids AKA subscribe to your video game.
Also, ignoring your player base is an easy way to lose a lot of people. I can honestly say that after seeing this thread grow to almost 600 posts just under a week and not seeing one Blizzard employee respond to this tells me they have my money now they do not care to even write a response. It’s time to respond to this thread with a BLUE POST.
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#fixthetick
Imagine a multi-dollar company that has the gonads to actually reply to a whole sub-community of paying customers, especially when there is clearly an outcry for something to be addressed.
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I can’t speak to the issues that occurred in the beta/prepatch PTR with the partial ticks. That was definitely weird stuff that suggests a correlation.
Thing is, there are a whole laundry list of undocumented changes in every patch. Just google “undocumented changes patch x.xx” and you will get a Wowpedia article for everyone. Many of those changes can be considered significant too.
Also, the original change that everyone believes is the reason energy ticks took a collateral damage hit is in relation to energy regeneration rate changes. Energy when shifting to feral is not that.
There is a strong argument to be made that the change was targeted and intentional.
Slippery slope refers to a logical fallacy of arguing against “x” by saying that if “x” happens then “y” will happen. It is not a valid argument.
It also happens to be the 2.0 - 2.2 style energy. Implying that we’re just asking for an energy system that was not present in TBC is not accurate.
It was literally this way the entire beta, until 1 day before prepatch. We know the strengths and limitations of the class - if feral was breaking the meta on beta, it would have been widely known.
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A slippery slope argument is not always a fallacy. If you’re going to pull out the book of fallacies I’d imagine you’d know this…
Fair enough, except the way it’s being used is a fallacy. You’re suggesting that giving feral 2.0-2.2 based energy will open other changes that further depart from “exactly” 2.4.3. We already know this is not the case as there are already numerous examples of changes from this exact baseline.
The discussion instead should focus around whether changing feral energy to pre-2.2 is a good change or a bad change. The majority of the druid players feel it is a good change as the current system detracts from the fun and responsiveness of the rotation, to say nothing of the damage.
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Technically if you observe the step prior to feral energy, you’re using seal twisting or seal of blood as a justification for them also changing feral energy. Meaning you’re actively on the slope.
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if it’ll improve the gameplay for the people playing the game then i will gladly let it slide.
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The thing here is that there is no downside to going back to 2.0 energy, unless you consider a melee memespec doing around 10% more damage a bad thing.
Everyone knows melee already get the short end of the stick in TBC. If there was a push to bring back a dps warrior or rogue mechanic from earlier phases because they found it enjoyable, then I’d be all for bringing it back. Thats why I was so happy with the seal changes when the first got announced, because I know Ret Pallys aren’t in a great spot to begin with, and anything that helps them and adds depth to the playstyle is a plus in my book.
As long as a class-specific TBC mechanic isn’t buffing Hunter or Warlock while they already top the meters, I dont see the harm in it. Especially if it was present for the vast majority of the TBC classic beta.
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Last ditch bump, maybe blizzard will respond tomorrow…
BUMP #FIXTHETICK #wow-classic #listentous
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An endless list of variables and ideas exist for “improving gameplay” at this stage of the game.
Not exactly a definitive foundation to work with.
The whole point or at least one of the defining elements of “Classic” WoW is accepting it for its warts and all, the way it was for the time it was developed.
This is basically like asking for dual spec in vanilla. Is it convenient and does it improve QOL for literally everyone? Sure. Does that mean it should have been added?
Ferals asking for their class to function as it did in BC isn’t asking for dual spec you clown
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It existed as the current form for longer than it did the vanilla form, in TBC.
You’re asking for class mechanics from a completely different patch than the one TBC is being modeled on…how is it not like asking for anything else from a different patch other than 2.4.3?
If it’s not a big deal, then why is every single feral player up in arms on every single forum imagineable that their class isn’t functional.
It’s not even about being authentic to 2.4.3 you goofball, there’s literally STORE MOUNTS. Paladins with x-faction seals, layers, etc. Get over yourself.
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Your premise is false, as I’m a Druid, a feral main at that, a cat main even more to the point, and I am not up in arms. Check my parses if you want.
I just feel like while change is hard…you roll with the punches and find a new path. By choosing to play TBC, you are voluntarily electing to play Feral with these changes because that’s how it was in the patch this server is modeled after.
Just like Classic, we started with 1.12 mechanics. It’s no different. Paladins weren’t begging for crusader strike in vanilla, even though it would have been nice. They even HAD crusader strike in the beta, but it was taken away.
Bro, i looked up your parses. you’re literally a random. Stop posting about ferals and acting like you have any clue what you are on about
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My parses are fine lol relax.
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The 2.2. energy regen system was an unintended bug that was never corrected. Crusader Strike was an ability that was removed, not a bug. Saying “it’s not different” in this case is perhaps pushing your analogy beyond its breaking point for most of us.
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