Please return survival back to ranged or give hunters a 4th spec

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

Translated: it did not have nor was it intended to have a fully-melee option, like the current version of Survival.

That’s what you’re saying without the pro-melee spin.

So we started off with a class design that has melee abilities you have to use when you get stuck in melee, a melee toolkit that was deliberately weaker than the ranged one to encourage the Hunter to play it smart and get back to ranged, followed by a doubling-down of the ranged-centric approach for the next decade, only for one of the specs to suddenly lose the ranged weapon entirely in the 6th expansion. How does this make sense in your mind?

100%.

This might blow your mind but a few years ago Survival could be fully ranged all the time. Man, that spec must have been amazing.

Yeah, it was!

[Danieltoon-sargeras]

neither bm or mm fills the massive void rsv left

Not to mention that MM is not really viable at the moment, and it’s as close as we’re getting to RSV until SL at least (or whenever Ion is no longer in charge). I’m playing MM right now (hit 120 a few days ago), and I don’t think I will switch to BM any time soon, so my end-game options look to be severely limited.

It’s a shame they can’t be bothered to make MM viable. Especially since it was supposed to be the new spec for displaced ranged SV hunters.

[Limitbreak-frostmourne]

lol at these people saying old survival hunter spec was the same as the other 2 specs. No it was not. Its like saying melee specs are all the same if you think about it. Of course they’re gonna have similarities. I personally miss the old survival hands down my favourite spec in the game even with the nerfs back then.

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

It’s a shame they can’t be bothered to make MM viable. Especially since it was supposed to be the new spec for displaced ranged SV hunters

Whatever they did with it going into Legion was nowhere near enough. It certainly wasn’t RSV that we got from MM.

Having said that, I can’t say that I want them to start with this now. We’ve seen before the mess that becomes the result of attempts to merge different playstyles/themes.

RSV has enough to become it’s own spec. To say the least.

No it was not. Its like saying melee specs are all the same if you think about it. Of course they’re gonna have similarities. I personally miss the old survival hands down my favourite spec in the game even with the nerfs back then

Agree 100%

Like with more recent discussions on the hunter forum.

Current MSV literally shares multiple core elements with/abilities taken from Beast Mastery.

Somehow this is okay.
But even though the old RSV did not actually share any abilities with that of MM, they still came out and said that they were too similar?

It’s not even true in terms of more general themes or aesthetics.

They had different aesthetics, different mechanics and interactions.
The only real similarity between old RSV and MM, was that they were both concepts of ranged combat, relying on the use of ranged weapons.

[Elae-nagrand (Elae)]

and yet i don’t see warlocks getting a melee spec but they are “ranged with a pet” as well.

Warlock specs ARE very different though…

Destruction is NOT pet focused, although pets can be used they are much more limited than Demonology, but to me Destruction is the warlock spec when you just want to blow things up, which is why most warlocks use it.

Affliction is basically about cursing things.

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

Warlock specs ARE very different though

I agree.

So were hunter specs.

BM - about pets, about empowering beasts, or you through them. And more.
Main focus: pet management and CD management.

MM - about the weapon, the archery and the sharpshooting. And more.
Main focus: weapon aiming, big hitters and burst periods.

RSV - about the weapon, the ammunition/arrows and the traps. And more.
Main focus: DoTs, concistency. And Traps as a bonus.

[Deekey-anvilmar]

Make survival viable ranged alternative for raiding again.

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

Make survival viable ranged alternative for raiding again

You mean based on it’s current design or the pre-Legion one?

[Purrminatør-sargeras]

I agree with either making it range or making survival fun to play again.