Please replace whoever it as at Blizzard Killing PvP Progression

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Whomever it is at Blizzard giving the “go ahead” to kill the “PvP only” form of progression. I DON’T WANNA SIT AT AN NPC, and “casino roll” my way through a game of luck like i’m playing a slot machine. How am I supposed to look forward to my shoulders that i may never get and if i do who knows when.

If we put in the work, why not guarantee were rewarded for it? I can sit in WSG for 12 hours a day, and get nothing out of it, and i do because that’s how much I LOVE to PVP not PvE.

This is some of the most intentional BS I’ve ever seen. We need someone who cares about PvP calling the shots. Someone who actually cares about what the entire PvP community is in here complaining about. So…

Could we replace whoever it is with someone who lives, eats, & breathes PvP like myself and many others, because whoever the person is calling the shots currently has something against PvPers who only pay the monthly subscription for the player vs player content.

Its as if somebody with ALOT of money bought out the game that so many have come to love, and altered it until you couldn’t recognize it anymore, as if WoW 2006-2014 was so bad it needed a complete revamping. Lets start a poll and see just how many people want the individual responsable for this MMO Tragedy fired and replaced with someone more fit to make decisions on a multi billion dollar game.
WoW MLG arenas should be so big right now, that nobody wants to play anything else, if i was Fortnite, i’d purchase WoW like activision did and kill it right after i made my money back.

We’ve been sold out, everything has it price, this is so ridiculous that it’s FUBAR. I see why you came out with classic now, the ships sinking and you will not listen to us, you continue to do what you want and not “patch up” your own ship!

People: Were going down!!
Blizzard: Oh no! We wouldn’t want that.
Activision: Yes
People: I’m never getting back on that ship again! (4 years later u get me with WoW classic and shure enough here I am, and you guys made it worse than it was 4 years ago somehow, and your not finished destroying it yet? Nope, we needa remove the PvP armor vendors first so we can get rid of some of these popular arena streamers who are making millions off of us that we don’t like.

Here I am again, quitting this game before I puke all over my keyboard from scratching my head, attempting to understand the logic in 2014-present World of Warcraft. Help us help you Blizzard, i’m starting to think your suicidal because you won’t stop hurting yourself.

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The fact Ion said doing a +15 is as hard as getting 2400 has stripped all hope i have for pvp under his leadership. As far as gear from pvp is concerned without a pvp stat pve will always be a superior way to gear. On top of that they dropped the elite gear down to levels anyone could reach so they stripped the prestige out of that too. And then they refuse to balance the game and since all we have left as pvpers is just the enjoyment of it we dont even really have that anymore

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Wdym? MoP and WoD had arguably the best PvP only progression systems in the game lmao.

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i meant 2014. Corrected*

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I’ll replace Ion. I have the same qualifications in that I am a lawyer.

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you have more qualifications than ion

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I dunno, Ion is really good at his job. Ion’s job is basically the same job as the White House spokesperson. The job is being able to spin what the higher ups want so that the masses can stomach it. His role is to play spin for what the shareholders want and his ability to do so is sometimes jaw dropping.

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WoD was almost universally hated while it was live. Every single post was made to trash Holinka, Ashran, or both.

In Hindsight, it was a blessing (not ashran). But at the time all anyone cared about was all the negative aspects of it, and not how nice it was to have a pvp-only gearing system that was fast and convenient without interfering with PvE.

And the negative aspects were many, coming from MoP and going into WoD was a nightmare for gameplay to most people. Gear wasn’t a problem or concern back then, really. We still had it good. We didn’t know how bad it could be I guess.

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Ya and I get that. I’m pretty biased because WoD ret was insane fun and felt great, but I know a lot of classes lost a lot coming from MoP and it felt bad. Either way, we didn’t know how bad it could get. Both MoP and WoD had good, easily accessible gearing systems. (No rating reqs, catch up caps, etc) It felt great too. Was easy to play alts. Now we have BfA which is a nightmare, and I don’t see Shadowlands being much better tbh.

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It won’t be. Not if a single one of the borrowed power systems goes live.

Arena is class balance. It’s the stress test for class design. Borrowed power perverts class design. How are they supposed to balance it with additional systems when they’ve struggled to balance it with the barebone baseline system for its history?

The answer is obvious, they won’t balance it. It’s going to be a mess. People are going to die in rogues kidneys for no reason. People are going to die in a 3x DR’d warstomp as a warlock laughs in the middle of the map. People are going to die to melee cleaves until they get nerfed, or go to blizzcon. Everythings going to be broken.

And at the end of it all, we’ll probably have people saying something like ‘bfa was better.’ or eventually ‘shadowlands was better’ as blizzard continues to ruin this once-great game.

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The only issues I remember with WoD that were PvP related were people being upset they couldn’t get their BiS trinket without doing Ashran. In comparison to todays issues this wouldn’t even be a blip on the radar screen.

AFAIK the major issue with WoD and why we find ourselves in todays predicament of never ending grinds is that players ran out of stuff to do for long periods of time. This was a PvE/Raid issue. The answer was M+, shorter “seasons” in Legion (both for raids and PvP), spacing out content, and never ending grind systems like the artifact weapon. They took this even further and went overboard with BfA and seem to be doing much the same with SL as far as I can tell.

So yeah…I really don’t think WoD was hated by PvP players. I’m sure there are things people didn’t like aside from Ashran, but it was mostly the PvE players that didn’t like it and only because they got bored.

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This post is so terribly written that I’ll just respond to what I think you meant.

Vendors are coming back in Shadowlands. It is unlikely they will offer lots of gear options.

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To be honest i’m saddened to see how ret just depreciated overtime.

In Cata it was it’s strongest iteration of the spec for its amazing survivability, wog was an amazing spell, acting as a mini lay of hand. We had no passive damage reduction but our healing acted as our ACTIVE tankiness, meaning we were doing huge heals, but also incredibly weak to stuns. We had Divine Protection able to be used in stuns to help us, and a 1min icd falling below 30% max health shield proc and increased our healing done and recieved.

Ever since we lost Cata’s Sacred Shield and our strong healing via wog we’re just incredibly WEAK. Among the weakest spec surviability wise in the game. Our mobility wasn’t broken since we were tuned with high uptime via ranged spells in mind compared to ww, dh, assa having also really high uptime but also disgusting amount of dmg.

MoP started the trend that we were becoming more and more weak because it completely nerfed our healing abilities.

MoP and WoD was trully fun gameplay wise, but it wasn’t that strong because we were weak.

And then the legion redesign happened which crapped us real hard, no mobility, no changed spells, a 30sec cd snare as a melee with no mobility or ranged spells. BFA is the same thing. Althought Legion had really fun things like Judgement cleaving baseline and the judgement hitting 4 targets + guaranteed crit on players above 50% health, Zeal transforming our Crusader Strike into a cleave ability. Those were fun special effects to our spells that really needed updates, but they decided to throw all of that away in BFA.

I know Cata wog wouldn’t work in the latest expansions because they keep pushing the stamina bonus so hard without increasing damage by the same rate.

Hell we have MoP health pools and only destro is doing mop damage. Everyone else is doing 25% of mop damage with the same number of HP. that’s what wrong with current expansions.

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Wod was loudly complained about thanks to bad changes to class design and pruning. Which directly affects arena.

Then wod was just like every other expansion, dominated by FOTM and complained about loudly combat rogue overlords, wwdk, turbo, arcane assassination RMPal, etc. Pre-nerf glad stance. Ashran existing.

People still had fun because they hasn’t done legion and doubled down on gutting class design, but wod was the original “wtf have you done to my class?” Expansion, the original Prune.

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thats 1 of his jobs. he also has final say on what happens with the game

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The only positive for PvP going into shadowlands is that most classes gained abilities back. Games going to continue to suffer everytime we borrow power for an xpack.

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Dude you must be higher than a kite. Best pvp was wrath and bc

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I’d argue MoP was. Wrath had a lot of nostalgia due to The Frozen Throne etc too. I dislike Wrath for a lot of reasons. I will say in Wrath we had way more abilities which is never a bad thing. I still dislike rating reqs on gear and stuff though. Pretty anti-competitive.

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the only thing I seen him say is any class can do a 20+, any class can do CE raid, and any class can do 2400 in rated.
I haven’t seen him ever say it was the same difficulty, you have a link?

We had more in mop, it sort of was why the great pruning happened.

Wrath was fun for sure, but MoP had the most unique about of comps to what was available with every spec than any other time in wow.

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Wrath and BC arena were terrible compared to MoP.

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