Nope. Just showing how “fun” is different to different people. There is no universal fun. Just because you might think they are not designing things around fun, doesn’t mean someone else does.
I never brought up battle pets. So please don’t put words in my mouth.
I agree that class balancing is a huge part of the game and is important. I would hope you would agree that the fantasy aspect to the game is also a huge part of the game and is important.
Are you really telling me that treating it like a mount form is really that game breaking? I don’t understand why we are fighting with each other when Blizzard has clear ways to make both sides of the fight happy.
You know which is most important in an MMO?
Class balancing.
You can’t upend class balancing because of fantasy aspects.
That would be a huge break in how every single other racial works in a huge way.
Every other class sans Druid’s can’t fly without a mount and soar is faster than mounted normal flight.
And “OMG you are delusional if you truly think this community would not whine to high heaven for soar to have no cd”
I dont get why its not just a mount equivalent lmao.
Mounting time of whatever seconds and you fly like dragon riding.
I dont understand why these college educated devs and Ion cant seem to figure this very BASIC crap out, lmao.
VERY easy fix.
Fast Soar on CD.
Normal racial flight like riding a flying mount, no CD.
problem literally solved.
I would like to see it just turned into a mount-less form of the dragon riding system.
Same resource, skill tree applies to both, same everything.
In non- dragon riding areas, just make it work like normal flight.
Awesome. So your version of fun is more important. This will be a very fruitful conversation.
I would argue that a fantasy of a game is just as important as class balancing. Is Wow really the most balanced MMO? Why are people like Nobbel able to find so much success making lore videos if the fantasy doesn’t matter? Both of these things can come together, along with other things, and appeal to a wide base of people.
Hasn’t been done before <> Game-Breaking. Every race can get a flying mount. In the solution I presented, the Dracthyr are underpowered compared to other racials.
Personally I dont even like the race, lol. And even I cant figure out why Ion and crew keep making this crap so stinking complicated.
I have a teenage grandson who loves games who could come up with better ideas than Ion and them do. lmao.
the race has wings…duh…give them “MOUNTED” FLIGHT as a RACIAL with a SPEED BOOST thats on a CD of X.
Jesus christ that was hard to figure out. lmao.
I’d be down for that but how do we convince blizzard to do it?
As opposed to you saying that your version of fun is more important?
So it shouldnt try harder? Just give up?
Never said it doesnt matter.
As long as we value your version of fun the most.
No they aren’t. You know this. I know this.
And your solution? Meh. I dont care that much about it at that point. They’d have to split it into multiple racials. Which once again. Would be an advantage of having an extra racial.
But considering how this conversation has almost always been about Soar specifically, you can’t really question why people are against a non CD racial form of flying that can get twice as fast or such as normal flying.
We dont. lmao.
Ion is a brick. If he thinks the idea wasnt his he’ll NEVER allow it.
Ive seen too much from this company reading the crap going back to 2015 to believe any different.
Sadly I must agree. He is fun detected fun removed personified.
I started it out saying class balancing is just as important… Why would you think I’m saying mine is more important? I’m arguing for you to recognize mine as an equal concern.
If Soar had the same max speed as your current skill level of Flying then I’d agree, but since it is much faster than the highest available flight speed for other races then it needs a CD for balance.
It’s like with Worgen: they have no CD for Running Wild because the speed they can run is whatever they have trained for mount speed.
Right…which is why we do it this way…
I really dont understand what goes on in Ions head, lol.
How does he NOT see this VERY easily fixed kind of issue so often?
So have a flying form as a racial (Something everyone else just gets and isn’t usable in combat) is more powerful (in terms of game balance) than a Blood elf’s ability to dispel something.
I just want to hear you confirm you believe this and we can be done.
I dont see it as equal. Class balance is ultimately more important than lore/fantasy of WoW.
When classes are broke. People quit playing. When the lore of WoW doesn’t make sense, people keep playing.
You know how I know this? The lore/story/fantasy of WoW has been worse than the class balancing since the game started.
Its important, yes. I just dont see it as important as designing classes.
Having Soar (not natural flying) as a racial with no CD is more powerful than a 2m CD AE dispel.
Having more racials than someone else, is also not something that should be ignored either.
Did I do a good enough job? Or are you going to try to put words in my mouth or twist my words again? After all.
This was your goal. Yet at every chance, you are being rather…silly.
No, you didn’t because you ignored the question. I have never said Soar as it is now but with no cooldown. I said treat it as a mount. You are putting words in my mouth.
If you want to say getting a mount as a racial is more impactful than increasing your attack power for 15 seconds, I’m not sure what to say.
I do want a fruitful conversation, and I don’t think I have proposed anything silly.
Then why did you ask it considering I also said…
So considering I already said “I dont really care at that point”, I could only assume you meant soar.
If you want to compare those two racials, then you are also being dishonest in this conversation. Arcane torrent is a combat racial. So we’d have to look at the dracthyr combat racial for comparison.
1.5m cd of ae knock back. Which is on par or better than a 2m ae dispel. Due to how an AE kb would have more uses.
So winner. Dracthyr. Lets look at the out of combat racials for blood elves. For a more equal comparison.
Enchanting Skill increased by 10.
Thats it.