That way PVE players can do the PVE content in peace without being harassed and belittled the entire time while they just AFK in the cave.
Everything okay on Nightslayer? Iâm heading out the door right now but we might need an intervention if things are going this bad again and if you guys need to lash out I understand and am here for you (but not right now)
Iâll check in after work, fill in the details for me
On one hand, this would just make AV even more one-sided in favor of horde. Most alliance on this server only know how to rush south and AFK on Nightslayer hill so Drek would never even get pulled.
On the other hand, this would be great because it would be much easier for me to get my fix of watching the handful of alliance that actually attempt to play start rage crying as they realize they canât keyboard turn their way to quick honor because my friends and I are defending and forcing turtles.
Iâm in favor of this!
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Okay, consensus seems to be that this is associated with the release of BWL
apparently âpureâ pvpers are concerned with pve power creeping into pvp before they can rank to max in the form of pve loot from BWL.
this is creating some insecurity where âpureâ pveâers and mixed pvp & pveâers have a higher power ceiling for a period of 6-7 weeks
Pvpers who want to go to BWL but havenât established raid consumes and slots on raid teams feel like they are cut off from scaling up.
Donât worry, BWL loot will be just as sporadic as MC loot has been and with a shorter window of optimality so you really only need to worry about 2-4 item upgrades over you before you hit max rank and those item upgrades will be rarely seen in the general population.
you arenât a good pvper just cuz you rolled on nightslayer 
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I played horde for a real long time and ya know what I see now that I play allies? Horde are equally crap at PVP.
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Map is just massively horde favored.
I always felt it favored alliance defense and horde offense to emphasize differences in the factions or something same dealio with the unstoppable force being pig(horde) and immovable object being turtle(alliance)
You canât win on defense.
Look at the map once horde take SHGY ally now rez literally in Narnia at SPGY and when horde lose IBGY they literally rez 20 seconds away at their cave.
Ally donât get to use their cave until all of their graveyards are lost.
Which is why ally can never take IBGY because as soon as they soft cap it horde can now utilize their cave which rezes up to 20 at a time meanwhile ally are rezing 2+ minutes away at spgy and up to 10 at a time.
What the strat for horde is to take shgy and let ally cap ibgy, then send 20 people down to retake ibgy
Everytime an ally dies defending the IBGY soft cap they get sent to SPGY and will never make it south again, meanwhile horde just go right to their cave and up to 20 at a time.
Eventually those 20 horde will win because they can get their faster and with more people.
Then itâs over, ally are trapped up north.
Itâs how horde had a 95% win rate in era.
copout⊠Its not a mirror map but its not really favored either way.
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Read above.
Horde literally had a 95% win rate lmfao
Because the allies are playing like trash
We literally had to premade to beat the cave rez.
If youâre not rushing Drek right away for âmuh honor per hour broâ you can win easily in 10 mins instead of a loss in 6
Literally no one said that
All I said is horde get to pick the kind of game it is.
If they donât want to rush they back cap ally and send you all up north trapping you.
Only horde can do this because the way the horde cave graveyard works.
Funnily enough guess what got changed in TBC?
âBoth factions donât utilize their cave graveyards until they control NO OTHER graveyardsâ.
Literally a massive horde nerf since ally already worked that way.
Also horde cave got moved back.
Youâre dodging.
You can use all the words you want youâre still wrong horde have a massive advantage in AV.
The words of someone who does not know how to AV.
Yea, you clearly donât understand how AV works.
You clearly look at the map and canât see the glaring issues with the cave rez for horde and what happens when alliance lose their first graveyard lmfao.
Thatâs a you issue, itâs ok I donât expect you to be good.
Why does every pvp post lead to more fighting?!